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Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by Paul-ish » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:13 PM UTC

jmcdiesel wrote: post #9

Paul-ish wrote: post #4

This seems like a place where industry self-regulation could be helpful. It could be helpful if there were an organization that would keep track of blacklisted areas (eg whitehouse lawn) and release them for all to the public, and developers in particular, for easy consumption. There would need to be some procedure for adding or removing regions from the database, eg a written request from a relevant government offic…

Or... we place the blame on being in bad places where the blame belongs. If I throw $10,000 over the white house fence and you jump the fence to get to it, its still YOUR problem and YOU are the one at fault for being where you arent supposed to be. Place the blame on the people who disregard the rules, the game isnt responsible because it placed something there. This would be like... "Hey, you shot a deer in the mid…

The point is not to place blame, the point is to find a solution that works best for everyone.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by function_seven » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

wfunction wrote: post #21

nemo44x wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they did: > put the blame on the person who does the wrong thing.

How does that answer the question? I'm asking how to solve problem, the response is who needs to receive the blame? Edit: See edit above. The question isn't whom to blame, the question is how to resolve the issue. Blaming people doesn't generally resolve an issue, but enforcing it or putting in place mechanisms for preventing it or some other tangible action might.

Enforce existing laws on the people who are to blame. Fine them for littering.

As far as flower-trampling, just shrug and wait for the fad to pass. It's not a big deal.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:20 PM UTC

If this interests you, you might like this talk about virtual worlds and their consequences, from someone who actually has deep experience with the subject: https://vimeo.com/208372546

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by jmcdiesel » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:24 PM UTC

freebirdtoss wrote: post #28

jmcdiesel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Staying past park hours for the most part is dumb... as far as being a big deal, its not. People walking around trying to play a game after hours is no something that needs policing in the first place... Is the game responsible for people littering? Or tramping grass (seriously, its grass... lets get over ourselves) or flowers... Is the game responsible for that, or are the people who do the wrong thing responsible?…

If parks did not have hours enforced, they would become permanent homeless tent encampments.

Thats a bad argument... There are plenty of places that rules in place to prevent "homeless tent encampments" from being a thing. The same laws that prevent you from camping in city parks. Thats a bad example...

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by jmcdiesel » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:27 PM UTC

Paul-ish wrote: post #31

jmcdiesel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or... we place the blame on being in bad places where the blame belongs. If I throw $10,000 over the white house fence and you jump the fence to get to it, its still YOUR problem and YOU are the one at fault for being where you arent supposed to be. Place the blame on the people who disregard the rules, the game isnt responsible because it placed something there. This would be like... "Hey, you shot a deer in the mid…

The point is not to place blame, the point is to find a solution that works best for everyone.

Blame in the juvenile sense is useless.

Blame in the sense of figuring out who is the person responsible for the offense is very important. If you don't know within who lies the responsibility, you don't know how to fix it.

IF the problem is littering, you fine littering people more. IF the problem is trampling flora, then rope off areas or add signage to prevent walking in certain areas and ENFORCE those rules...

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by Sharlin » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:27 PM UTC

jmcdiesel wrote: post #10

wfunction wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> City officials were aghast at large numbers of individuals playing Pokemon Go who visited parks, littered, trampled grass and flowers, and stayed past park hours. This seems like a legitimate issue though. How do you propose it be solved?

Staying past park hours for the most part is dumb... as far as being a big deal, its not. People walking around trying to play a game after hours is no something that needs policing in the first place... Is the game responsible for people littering? Or tramping grass (seriously, its grass... lets get over ourselves) or flowers... Is the game responsible for that, or are the people who do the wrong thing responsible?…

The idea of parks having opening hours is so completely alien to me that I don't even know where to begin...

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by syshum » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:46 PM UTC

minikites wrote: post #24

barsonme wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't quite understand the issue. It's the government's job to keep up public infrastructure regardless of how heavily it's used—that's something the left _and_ right can agree on.

The right does their best to cut government revenue via lower taxes, so how do you propose maintaining infrastructure with less income?

Make people that use the resources pay for them.

the national parks are almost fully funded by the people that visit them.

I do not use any of the Local Parks, I do not pay Pokemon Go, I do not have a use for either

People that use the parks should pay for them, then if there is an increase in activity from something like Pokemon Go that means Revenue also increases to pay for the increased costs to maintain the asset.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by uremog » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:47 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #7

jmcdiesel wrote: post #3

Funny how for the longest time now, cities and counties take more and more money from public parks citing their underuse... then when they get used, they cry out legally to stop the use. Part of the costs of a park is cleaning up after people, its already in the budget. So is the landscaping. So is the coverage for wear and tear in general. Its also funny to see the difference. National Park Service embraces Pokemon…

> And the fact that so many normally sedentary people were getting up and going out and doing shit and getting exercise A minor nit, but Pokemon go did not increase activity levels for most players. http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/12December/Pages/Pok%C3%A9mon-no... http://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i6270

Well, it did, but only for a short while. And that may just be because of how bad it was.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by Paul-ish » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 8:58 PM UTC

jmcdiesel wrote: post #35

Paul-ish wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is not to place blame, the point is to find a solution that works best for everyone.

Blame in the juvenile sense is useless. Blame in the sense of figuring out who is the person responsible for the offense is very important. If you don't know within who lies the responsibility, you don't know how to fix it. IF the problem is littering, you fine littering people more. IF the problem is trampling flora, then rope off areas or add signage to prevent walking in certain areas and ENFORCE those rules...

Why not both? It seems inefficient to give citations to the waves of newcomers every day.

What if we found that a simple change by app developers could drastically reduce property damage. Wouldn't it be in everybody's interest to have that change implemented?

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Post by kafkaesq » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 9:02 PM UTC

jmcdiesel wrote: post #3

Funny how for the longest time now, cities and counties take more and more money from public parks citing their underuse... then when they get used, they cry out legally to stop the use. Part of the costs of a park is cleaning up after people, its already in the budget. So is the landscaping. So is the coverage for wear and tear in general. Its also funny to see the difference. National Park Service embraces Pokemon…

then when they get used, they cry out legally to stop the use.

The parks weren't just being "used", people were littering, staying after hours, trampling on flowerbeds and stuff. Or did you miss that part of the article?

So many normally sedentary people were getting up and going out and doing shit and getting exercise .. and people still went out of their way to be dicks about it... I don't get it.

Say what you want about the city's misguided attempts at enforcement. But by no means was it in response to "normally sedentary people getting exercise."