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Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by brooklyn_ashey »

swyx wrote: post #82
aryehof wrote: post #78

What is the root cause for the decision to end this business? Insufficient income? Costs too high? Cash flow issues - unsustainable inflows vs outflows? Mismanagement or something else?

bizarre that this basic question was left unanswered. Any one of the above would have given some satisfaction to the many people who have a vested interest in Iron Yard/the success of coding bootcamps in general

The successful model would have to be one that turned out grads who beat out Stanford grads for jobs. That means it would have to be constantly improving and changing at a blistering speed. In the end, this means that the successful model has to be run by true visionaries who see a solution they can sustain over time. It won't look like a huge scale money-making venture that anyone can hop in on with VC money.

Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by brooklyn_ashey »

brooklyn_ashey wrote: post #111
swyx wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bizarre that this basic question was left unanswered. Any one of the above would have given some satisfaction to the many people who have a vested interest in Iron Yard/the success of coding bootcamps in general

The successful model would have to be one that turned out grads who beat out Stanford grads for jobs. That means it would have to be constantly improving and changing at a blistering speed. In the end, this means that the successful model has to be run by true visionaries who see a solution they can sustain over time. It won't look like a huge scale money-making venture that anyone can hop in on with VC money.

more of a luxury model, and less of an every-person solution to the college debt and job crisis

Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by bschwindHN »

mathattack wrote: post #103
bschwindHN wrote: post #89

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> $80K/year...in freaking Ohio I don't get this sentence, is this good or bad? I grew up in Ohio and for the majority of people I know there, they would be absolutely thrilled at that salary. The cost of living is nowhere near SF levels. The "freaking Ohio" part, yeah I can understand that for a lot of parts of Ohio, but it's highly dependent on where in the state you're talking about.

80k is great in Ohio - I think that's the implication. 80k goes a long way when rent is 800/month.

Agree that it's great, but the feeling I got from the OP was along the lines of "They only offered 80k, and on top of that it was in Ohio"

Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by kasey_junk »

dmitri1981 wrote: post #101
kasey_junk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Training junior developers is something I enjoy & think I'm good at. I actually looked at working for a boot camp once. To do so would have required more than a half pay cut. If I'm going to do that it will be as an underserved public sector educator, not a for profit company.

Out of curiosity, how much were they paying?

The pitch was "up to 80k" which I assumed was a ridiculous attempt to start a negotiation, but they really didn't move off of that number.

This was in Chicago.

Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by CivilianZero »

I can tell you all without a doubt, The Iron Yard closing has nothing to do with its performance. Someone bought somebody else and the new people in charge just don't want to spend the money. That's all.

Unfortunately there's nothing to be learned about code-bootcamps from this. I can tell you, however, as someone who recently completed TIY and now has a better job than any of my college-completing friends have, going through TIY was the best decision I ever made.

And you can safely ignore anyone who dismisses the level or quality of what you learn at TIY. I learned how to code and I learned how to continue to learn how to code. That's more than I can say for any of my other learning experiences which were almost completely focused on "passing".

Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by brightball »

CivilianZero wrote: post #115

I can tell you all without a doubt, The Iron Yard closing has nothing to do with its performance. Someone bought somebody else and the new people in charge just don't want to spend the money. That's all. Unfortunately there's nothing to be learned about code-bootcamps from this. I can tell you, however, as someone who recently completed TIY and now has a better job than any of my college-completing friends have, goin…

I went to one of their showcase events where the students show projects and bring resumes to meet potential employers. The amount of progress the students made from "never done this before" to show day was really impressive.

Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by CivilianZero »

brightball wrote: post #116
CivilianZero wrote: post #115

I can tell you all without a doubt, The Iron Yard closing has nothing to do with its performance. Someone bought somebody else and the new people in charge just don't want to spend the money. That's all. Unfortunately there's nothing to be learned about code-bootcamps from this. I can tell you, however, as someone who recently completed TIY and now has a better job than any of my college-completing friends have, goin…

I went to one of their showcase events where the students show projects and bring resumes to meet potential employers. The amount of progress the students made from "never done this before" to show day was really impressive.

Yeah, only one person in my 8 person class had ever done any coding before. It would've taken me significantly longer than 3 months to get to that point and I don't know if I ever would've understood as much as I do now.

Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by detroit123456 »

microcolonel wrote: post #98
dang wrote: post #67

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> You truly can not expect any sane person with another option to choose Detroit This is the second time today that we've had to ask you to stop posting uncivil comments to HN. I don't want to ban you, but if you don't fix this we'll have to, so would you please fix this? (Re-)reading the following might help: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html We detached t…

I guess I didn't see it that way, I hope my change is adequate. That said, I think that what I said was about as tame as newsguidelines.html itself: "If your account is less than a year old, please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a common semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.", which resorts to some light chiding which I personally do not mind being subjected to . Note: I think yo…

How would I downvote with a throwaway, you dumb bitch? I don't care about HN enough to get karma from the circle jerk on a regular account. I read Hacker News comments to keep in touch with how out-of-touch the Galt's Gulch abortion that is Silicon Valley is.

Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by [deleted] »

microcolonel wrote: post #58
detroit1234 wrote: post #46

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I moved from Ann Arbor to Detroit because of a wonderful group of musicians that I get to perform and spend time with. From a Detroiter to one who clearly has never been here, kindly go fuck yourself. Detroit has problems, but it's been four years since the bankruptcy and we're actually building new offices downtown because the existing buildings are only 5% vacant. There's progress being made every day, but that wou…

> From a Detroiter to one who clearly has never been here, kindly go fuck yourself. I have been to Detroit. It was pretty low energy, and that was some years ago (six?). Since then the crime has risen and the population and economic activity have declined. The mere fact that some buildings are being built in some places does not indicate that things are getting much better. I understand the Michigander pride, but I d…

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Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses

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Post by wyldfire »

christophilus wrote: post #14
Flammy wrote: post #2

The comments are pretty heart warming and show they definitely got something right.

I was an instructor there for 2 cohorts. It was probably the hardest I ever worked. The same was true for my fellow instructors. We were/are senior engineers who took the job for reasons other than money (it was a pay cut for me). We wanted to contribute back. A few students had pretty bad experiences, I think. It was a very demanding program. Several times, I had full-grown adults break down and cry during our 1:1s.…

> A few students had pretty bad experiences, I think. It was a very demanding program. Several times, I had full-grown adults break down and cry during our 1:1s.

I think we could all learn a lot from their failures. Is there anything about their experience that could help you predict who would make an ill-suited applicant? Or some helpful advice on how folks should be prepared to approach the program ("you should expect to put in X hrs per day over the next 180 days if you want to be successful")?

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