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Why Apollo? I got this from Wikipedia: "...Apollo was also seen as a god who could bring ill-health and deadly plague." In that case...I see your point.
http://www.apollo.edu/
oh, okay. thanks. but still funny anyhow.
Iron Yard code school to close all campuses
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There's no way state schools currently cost $40k. Maybe $15k. Easy federal aid money certainly helps push up the price tag. It's effectively a subsidy.
UO -> In-state: $26,000, out of state: $49,000 OSU -> In-state: $26,000, out of state: $45,000 PSU -> In-state: $30,000+, out of state: $43,000 MSU -> In-state: $27,000, out of state: $51,000 UM (Michigan) -> In-state: $29,000, out of state: $60,000 UM (Miami) -> $64,306
UM (Miami) is actually a private school, and not state-run.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-miami-153...
Re: Iron Yard code school to close all campuses
#53The comments are pretty heart warming and show they definitely got something right.
I was an instructor there for 2 cohorts. It was probably the hardest I ever worked. The same was true for my fellow instructors. We were/are senior engineers who took the job for reasons other than money (it was a pay cut for me). We wanted to contribute back. A few students had pretty bad experiences, I think. It was a very demanding program. Several times, I had full-grown adults break down and cry during our 1:1s.…
Thank you for teaching. I'm a Dev Bootcamp grad from 2014; people like you, who took on that challenge, completely changed my life for the better.
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I dunno about elsewhere, but in-state tuition in Texas is no more than $10k (varies by school, but none are above that). Still too high, but it's not yet at private-school levels of absurdity.
Look at total cost of attendance. Schools could set tuition to zero, but require students to pay $40,000 a year for "room, board and books" and it wouldn't actually make tuition cheap.
Tuition + fees (possibly + books, but that is highly variable from term to term and generally substantially less than tuition) is the correct way to evaluate the cost of higher education. Room & board is generally optional at state schools (there are a few exceptions).
My institution's in-state tuition + fees are about $9K/year. The TX state university I taught at for two years was similar.
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I moved from Ann Arbor to Detroit because of a wonderful group of musicians that I get to perform and spend time with. From a Detroiter to one who clearly has never been here, kindly go fuck yourself. Detroit has problems, but it's been four years since the bankruptcy and we're actually building new offices downtown because the existing buildings are only 5% vacant. There's progress being made every day, but that wou…
Seconding this. I have a bunch of friends who live in Detroit. It's not Robocop World over there.
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#56Anyone care to shed some light on what precipitated this?
Can I make a comment which is not specific about this school, to which I have no connection, or to coding bootcamps? For-profit education is a regulated industry in the United States and is experiencing significant adversarial attention at the moment, as a result of widespread looting of federal tuition assistance programs, to the tune of billions of dollars. Can I name a Greek god who has non-zero relevance to this…
It was experiencing scrutiny from regulators, but now we have a new Secretary of Education who seems to think that sort of regulation is bad and is letting up on it.
http://www.knoxnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/mark-harmon...
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#57Anyone care to shed some light on what precipitated this?
I'd like to know this too. Their prices are very high, so maybe the demand subsided?
It seemed to be a gold rush. Too many schools opened, crowding the market and driving prices down.
I've personally been swamped in bootcamp graduates' resumes, even though my listing specifically says "5+ years experience". That tells me that they're desperate and bulk-applying. I've also heard this anecdote from others -- totally swamped by bootcamp grads.
It's a free market, and the demand for bootcamp grads is now lower than the supply. That's exactly what you'd expect, isn't it?
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#58There are a great number of excellent reasons not to be in Detroit, as a business or an individual. The taxes are outrageous, the government is corrupt, the people who could afford to leave have all but left, the infrastructure is even worse than you'd expect given the ratio of revenue to services. 90% of murders go completely unresolved. That is, out of every ten people killed, and there are a lot, the perpetrators…
I moved from Ann Arbor to Detroit because of a wonderful group of musicians that I get to perform and spend time with. From a Detroiter to one who clearly has never been here, kindly go fuck yourself. Detroit has problems, but it's been four years since the bankruptcy and we're actually building new offices downtown because the existing buildings are only 5% vacant. There's progress being made every day, but that wou…
> From a Detroiter to one who clearly has never been here, kindly go fuck yourself.
I have been to Detroit. It was pretty low energy, and that was some years ago (six?). Since then the crime has risen and the population and economic activity have declined. The mere fact that some buildings are being built in some places does not indicate that things are getting much better.
I understand the Michigander pride, but I don't think Detroit compares favourably to almost any other decent city in North America. I like the character of Detroit, but I'm not going to pretend it's booming. It can get better, and a broken city presents a lot of opportunity that a functioning city does not, but that doesn't make it any less broken in the moment.
Detroit is a city where about one in two thousand people are murdered every year, nearly nine times the U.S. average. A city where ~1.4 per thousand women are raped every year, about twice the national average. This is, in relative terms, not a pleasant or safe place to live.
Michigan in general is actually about on par with the national median, Detroit has suffered especially harshly.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I moved from Ann Arbor to Detroit because of a wonderful group of musicians that I get to perform and spend time with. From a Detroiter to one who clearly has never been here, kindly go fuck yourself. Detroit has problems, but it's been four years since the bankruptcy and we're actually building new offices downtown because the existing buildings are only 5% vacant. There's progress being made every day, but that wou…
> From a Detroiter to one who clearly has never been here, kindly go fuck yourself. I have been to Detroit. It was pretty low energy, and that was some years ago (six?). Since then the crime has risen and the population and economic activity have declined. The mere fact that some buildings are being built in some places does not indicate that things are getting much better. I understand the Michigander pride, but I d…
I pay probably half of what you do in rent. Allow me to weep all the way to the bank and then pop downtown for a cocktail made out of my tears. Seriously, have you BEEN here lately? Detroit from four years ago is not the Detroit of today.
But fine, Detroit doesn't need people like you anyway. This is a city for people who know how to put up with a lot of crap and not flee to the boring, expensive suburbs when shit gets hard.
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I know the US is not the world but since we are discussing Iron Yard, it's worth pointing out that the private sector in the US is almost exclusively at-will employment.
Wrongful termination suits are something that all large companies have lots of scar tissue around though
Companies that size should have well-documented processes to follow to minimize liability around that. The much larger problem I've seen is that managers - since ground-level engineering managers tend to overwhelmingly be young and first-time-managers since the industry is dominated by youth overall - are green, don't know what they don't know about firing, and wait to bring in HR until they've already made up their mind, at which point they find out about the six month official process they should've started following six months ago. Or are just afraid of having the conversation, period.
New manager training is an even bigger hole in most orgs than on-the-job entry-level engineer training.
Small companies usually have a lot more leeway here, I've been the replacement employee for a guy who only lasted a month and a half at a startup before.
After getting past my initial uneasiness around dealing with poor performers (defining poor performer as "someone the rest of the team feels is a net negative and can't trust with important features"), I'm less afraid of a not-good-enough hire (effort and conscientiousness in looking for the right solution is the most important thing I look for there), and withhold my "definitely not" calls for people I think would be truly toxic to the team's rhythm.