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he is not jailed for stating that view. the reason for this lock up can be easily searched online.
Why don't you provide a credible source? "Just google for it" is generally what people say to support arguments based on conspiracy theories.
You ever get the feeling this Nobel Prize and the western media's fawning coverage of Liu Xiaobo is really just about westerners making themselves feel better? China will get democracy one day. It will be because a large swath of Chinese people want it. Although there have been some high profile dissidents in China over the last 30 years, including Liu Xiaobo and the 1989 students, most Chinese are probably not ready…
I found this to be quite condescending -- "lower levels of Maslow hierarchy". Have you considered that perhaps most Chinese people are "made unready" for democracy simply because of the extreme suppressions by an authoritarian regime? Or have you considered that perhaps food, shelter, and openness are not mutually exclusive -- that one must have one in order to have another?
It also makes perfect sense if you look at the post-medieval revival of the democratic idea: It was the emerging middle-class, rich people, who demanded participation in the governing processes.
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There are certain views that should never ever be publicly stated, e.g. Liu said China needs to be colonized for 300 years to get better, is it just free of speech? sound quite repressive to me. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/15/nobel-...
> There is certain views that should never ever be publicly stated Who gets to decide what is or is not allowed to be spoken? > Liu said China needs to be colonized for 300 years to get better, is it just free of speech? sound quite repressive to me. Even if it is repressive, preventing him to say it by arresting him and his family is not repressive to you?
In America we have helpful groups like Southern Poverty Law Center which direct us to which ideas are bad speech that shouldn't be allowed. Maybe China should follow our example and privatize their speech curatorship police, then they would be more free.
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Equation of work conditions in China with slavery is flatly idiotic.
He's equating slave labor in China with slavery, which is ... not? idiotic, I imagine. At the outbreak of the US Civil War there were about 4 million slaves living in America. Today there are, according to international estimates, about 3.4 million slaves living and working in China[1]. To claim that it is a non-existent problem or that it isn't severe or that it doesn't merit outrage or to imagine that it is somehow…
How about you go back to your suggest site and read it carefully?
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> the core issue here is simple: how come such a man who repeatedly made such extremist styles comments in public got awarded the nobel peace prize. That is your issue, not mine. > you came to this thread largely because Liu is not a random dude on street, he had the nobel peace prize. I am here because of the outrageous comment you made about ‘certain views that should never ever be publicly stated’. If you can’t de…
what? saying "certain views should never ever be publicly stated" is outrageous? what a joke.
A joke indeed.
To some in the west, China is a land of opportunities, a booming economy with tech giants and a supply chain for the industrial world. To others it's a bloody dictatorship that assassinated thousands of people for the sole crime of speaking their mind in 1989. To me it's the embodiment of the hypocrisy of the west when it comes to the defense human rights. Let's be frank, we didn't abolish slavery, we just outsourced…
> Let's be frank, we didn't abolish slavery, we just outsourced it to make it more acceptable. As Joan Robinson said, "the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all." Being paid for work you do not have to do is not slavery. You see we built this thing called civilization whereby instead of starving when crops fail, dying at age 30 with dysentery and livi…
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I believe he did believe China should be colonized. Even he didn't, his audience are genuinely considering and discussing that option. We have a word called "带路党", which literally means road-leading party, to describe people who think China being colonized is a viable idea and do whatever they feel it's helpful to achieve that goal. "Road-leading" means giving directions to intruders (or saviours in their view), in m…
Thanks for your reply, I don't see it getting lots of down votes - it seems reasonable and has contributed to this discussion in a way lots of comments here haven't! > Even he didn't, his audience are genuinely considering and discussing that option. Imagine if this was a thirty year misunderstanding! In that case though, it'd be 100% his fault for allowing it to continue. I suppose we can only really go on by taking…
Now in Chinese weibo.com, if your message includes "javascript", it can not be sent and return "content is illegal!". A guess is that the word "javascript" includes "RIP".
To some in the west, China is a land of opportunities, a booming economy with tech giants and a supply chain for the industrial world. To others it's a bloody dictatorship that assassinated thousands of people for the sole crime of speaking their mind in 1989. To me it's the embodiment of the hypocrisy of the west when it comes to the defense human rights. Let's be frank, we didn't abolish slavery, we just outsourced…
Equation of work conditions in China with slavery is flatly idiotic.
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he is not jailed for stating that view. the reason for this lock up can be easily searched online.
Why don't you provide a credible source? "Just google for it" is generally what people say to support arguments based on conspiracy theories.
if you couldn't bother to even search for that, what is the point joining the discussion?
let me know if google.com is too hard for you to use.
