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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though there were no explicit rules requiring something, there were nevertheless unofficial norms that were followed. If (almost) everyone does something without a rule, then making a rule is pointless. But when you get enough people skirting those norms, it then becomes necessary to codify them. For instance, the Special Prosecutor law that Ken Starr operated under was put in place in the wake of Watergate and…

But when you get enough people skirting those norms, it then becomes necessary to codify them. Is that what was happening, because if so it was never made clear to me. The first I remember this coming up was with the internet "lanes." AFAIK, again tell me where I'm wrong here please, there was nothing preventing an ISP from creating a "fast lane" before 2015.

You're not wrong.

Before 2015, there was really nothing stopping them from doing it aside from consumer outrage. But as time goes on, large ISPs have been making more and more noise about "internet fast lanes". There have been several incidents of them throttling sites like Netflix in secret. So while they previously adhered to defacto-net-neutrality via informal gentlemen's agreement, the likes of Comcast are no longer acting like gentlemen.

Without net neutrality, it will get worse. Especially since ISPs are also cable and phone companies who are justifiably worried about how the internet is increasingly affecting their cable and phone revenue.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted I can tell you for certain that there are dozens of safeguards. That scenario not only isn't possible, it's not plausible. Yes the President has the "codes" but those codes don't launch the missiles [1]. The scenario described is one in which there are literally nuclear warheads on a ballistic t…

I'm afraid that you have misunderstood the Bloomberg article. Nothing in it is about checking the power of the president (it says itself the president determines when to end the meetings and whether to ignore advice). It is all about verifying that The President has issued the order, and then ensuring that order is carried out. The President is contacted in this scenario simply because he's the only one who can actua…

The keywords here are "whenever he needs to".

Are there verified nuclear warheads on verified trajectories from verified origins?

Does the US President need to retaliated?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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I don't understand the logic of ISP's throttling certain sites based on the traffic to those sites. As a consumer on ISP's last mile lines, I make a series of TCP requests and I expect responses. Fill my pipes with those responses as best you can and charge me for the privilege. If you're not making enough money on that, charge me more for the bandwidth. Market-wise, why would an ISP anything else than fill my pipe w…

> The obvious shenanagans that are ramping up here will eventually lead to a massive consumer backlash and a regulatory hammer coming down

Not if ISPs maintain their monopolies, and convince government that they don't have the funds to improve service if they can't keep their "freedom" to dick over consumers by charging more for the same stuff.

Sure, there would be backlash, but as long as these regional broadband monopolies persist, it's quite difficult for the people and government to negotiate with companies.

As hard as it seems to fight today, we are in a much better position now to prevent these monopolies from gaining more power than we will be if Title II is repealed.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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post #230

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To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted I can tell you for certain that there are dozens of safeguards. That scenario not only isn't possible, it's not plausible. Yes the President has the "codes" but those codes don't launch the missiles [1]. The scenario described is one in which there are literally nuclear warheads on a ballistic t…

Radiolab did an episode recently[1] which disagrees with that Bloomberg article. They interview ex-Secretary of Defense William Perry asking him what controls there are, if any, on a crazy president just willy-nilly deciding to nuke something. He says there's absolutely none, even if the president is in a room full of people who vehemently disagree with him he alone makes the call to launch. 1. http://www.radiolab.or…

Yes yes, but...

The President can make the call to launch and everyone in the room can ignore him, arrest him, tape his mouth shut.

Or just shoot him.

Edit: fixed a word

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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You have some serious thinking to do

If you're going to offhand dismiss someone's imaginative ability, I think the onus is on you to provide a little more insight than "you're stupid."

you're stupid.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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post #167

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Technically, the US President holds the power to end life on Earth should he so desire. To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted. Even Comcast's power seems rather pitiful in comparison.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted I can tell you for certain that there are dozens of safeguards. That scenario not only isn't possible, it's not plausible. Yes the President has the "codes" but those codes don't launch the missiles [1]. The scenario described is one in which there are literally nuclear warheads on a ballistic t…

It makes for good drama. Like House of Cards. Or Fallout. We enjoy thinking our way through doomsday scenarios.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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post #312

The only real way to ensure net neutrality is to ignore the bullshit and implement a distributed secure internet. Net neutrality could be forced into place, regardless of the laws passed by Congress or the malfeasance of the ISPs. I see no reason why Google would ever support such a thing.

The US government probably would fight such a thing too. They already fight municipal broadband.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Elon Musk to the rescue... (again) https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14952904/elon-musk-spacex...

I'm skeptical this wouldn't end up being like Mark's plan to give free "internet" access to India, where "the internet" is selected websites.

Anyway I kind of doubt Musk's plan comes to fruition before more threats to Net Neutrality come up. Right now we need to address it at a policy level. New ways of accessing internet won't prevent people from trying to monopolize and control it.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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I have never understood the need for net neutrality. That doesn't mean we don't need it, it means that no one has ever explained the need to me in a way that makes sense. Give me real world examples. What has any ISP done that would violate Net Neutrality that I would object to?

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm afraid that you have misunderstood the Bloomberg article. Nothing in it is about checking the power of the president (it says itself the president determines when to end the meetings and whether to ignore advice). It is all about verifying that The President has issued the order, and then ensuring that order is carried out. The President is contacted in this scenario simply because he's the only one who can actua…

The keywords here are "whenever he needs to" . Are there verified nuclear warheads on verified trajectories from verified origins? Does the US President need to retaliated?

The problem is that nobody else's opinion matters. If the president wants to retaliate based on 0 evidence, they can.
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