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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by acomjean »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

I like it.

If you've ever experienced the not too occasional fighting between cable companies and some of the networks they carry, it can get ugly. With both sides claiming they're in the right. Sometimes the channels even go off the air because the cable company won't pay what the networks want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carriage_dispute

The only problem is if say google pulls YouTube from comcast, its not like customers have a plethora of other internet providers to choose from, so they suffer.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by choward »

mnm1 wrote: post #13

Sorry Google (and FB, Amazon, etc.) this doesn't actually count as taking action. Not even a single link on their home page. An obscure post on a blog won't do shit. Let's stop pretending that you want net neutrality, Google, et al. Day of action my fucking ass.

I agree.

> Tell everyone that you want to keep the Internet free and open.

Why should I if you're not even going to mention it on your home page? They could even make it the doodle. Or not load a doodle and say it's due to bandwidth concerns because of lack of net neutrality. They just put some random blog up that nobody is going to see. Nice work!

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by djsumdog »

jerf wrote: post #11
rtx wrote: post #7

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1IzN9tst28

I'd like to point out that even if you disagree with this video that hearing it straight from the source is valuable. If you want to convince Ajit Pai that he's wrong, knowing what his current (public) opinion truly is (rather than just someone's strawman) makes it way easier.

Well, if he really believes it. I high doubt most people in these positions believe a fraction of what they say. They're being backed by major telecom firms to promote a narrative.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by dmamills »

mconley wrote: post #76
dmamills wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad this comment sits at the bottom of this post. It's reflective of how the zeitgeist actually cares about this issue. The Battle For the Net website mentions a vast range of online companies who apparently stood in solidarity to take action on this day. * Github: a blog post displayed on your feed. * Etsy: Nothing. * Kickstarter: Nothing. * Netflix: Nothing. * Twitter: Nothing. * Vimeo: A featured video on the…

> * Mozilla: Nothing. Really not sure what you're talking about here. Along with this blog post: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/07/11/defending-net-neutr... There's a snippet on about:home about Net Neutrality for every Firefox user: https://ffp4g1ylyit3jdyti1hqcvtb-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-... We've got a form here to make it easy to submit your comments to the FCC: https://advocacy.mozilla.org/en-US/net-neutr…

Sorry I wasn't able to discover that podcast, youtube video, blogpost and form. Thanks for your efforts.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

krath94 wrote: post #72
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

"Yeah we're gonna teach them that censorship is wrong by censoring people!!!"

Sadly, irony like that is lost on a lot of people these days.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by EdSharkey »

I don't understand the logic of ISP's throttling certain sites based on the traffic to those sites.

As a consumer on ISP's last mile lines, I make a series of TCP requests and I expect responses. Fill my pipes with those responses as best you can and charge me for the privilege. If you're not making enough money on that, charge me more for the bandwidth.

Market-wise, why would an ISP anything else than fill my pipe with what I'm asking for?

An ISP should make all the money it needs to make off my service subscription. It's not too far of a leap for me to imagine U.S. laws being changed that restrict ISP's to only being able to charge the end-user for their subscriptions with heavily regulated flat fees for peering arrangements and co-location services placed near the consumer.

The obvious shenanagans that are ramping up here will eventually lead to a massive consumer backlash and a regulatory hammer coming down. People are not going to forget what the open internet looked like.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by djsumdog »

2bitencryption wrote: post #36
throwawaycuz wrote: post #15

Serious question, could someone please educate me. 1) How is Net Neutrality different from a slippery slope to communism? 2) During the President Obama years, my ISP in the U.S. offered 3 different tiers of service at 3 different prices. How is that pure "net neutrality"? (this was similar to the situation where in the U.S., rich lefty-liberals don't send their kids to public schools... but want poor conservatives to…

1) what? 2) >During the President Obama years, my ISP in the U.S. offered 3 different tiers of service at 3 different prices. How is that pure "net neutrality"? Well, for one, Title II wasn't enforced during the "President Obama years" that I know of, so there is no difference in what you could have experienced than as what you could experience now. And second, offering different speed tiers has nothing to do with ne…

Exactly. Speed != Quality of Service.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by ajmurmann »

rtx wrote: post #7

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1IzN9tst28

He lost me at the point where he claimed that there no major issues in 2015. Is he unaware of the throttling that ISPs were doing for certain types of traffic like Netflix?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by guelo »

krath94 wrote: post #73
mnm1 wrote: post #13

Sorry Google (and FB, Amazon, etc.) this doesn't actually count as taking action. Not even a single link on their home page. An obscure post on a blog won't do shit. Let's stop pretending that you want net neutrality, Google, et al. Day of action my fucking ass.

Google is pissed because the Internet is now under Title II making it nearly impossible for them to lay their fiber along public roads anymore. You know how to really fuck over Comcast? Allow google to bring Fiber to every major city. But they can't because regulation.

That's bullshit. Title II has little to do with Google Fiber's plans or why it's so expensive to lay fiber. Google Fiber has continued expanding after the Title II classification, though their focus has shifted to wireless technologies.
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