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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

#71

This day is a joke.

I know that HN hates "unproductive comments", but I feel my comment is as likely as effective of "raising net neutrality awareness" as the silly grey logo bar topping this website right now.

I'm glad this comment sits at the bottom of this post. It's reflective of how the zeitgeist actually cares about this issue.

The Battle For the Net website mentions a vast range of online companies who apparently stood in solidarity to take action on this day.

* Github: a blog post displayed on your feed.

* Etsy: Nothing.

* Kickstarter: Nothing.

* Netflix: Nothing.

* Twitter: Nothing.

* Vimeo: A featured video on the landing page.

* Reddit: A tiny blurred logo.

* Hacker News: A grey bar!

* Mozilla: Nothing.

* OkCupid: Nothing.

What a great display!

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

"Yeah we're gonna teach them that censorship is wrong by censoring people!!!"

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

#73
post #13

Sorry Google (and FB, Amazon, etc.) this doesn't actually count as taking action. Not even a single link on their home page. An obscure post on a blog won't do shit. Let's stop pretending that you want net neutrality, Google, et al. Day of action my fucking ass.

Google is pissed because the Internet is now under Title II making it nearly impossible for them to lay their fiber along public roads anymore. You know how to really fuck over Comcast? Allow google to bring Fiber to every major city. But they can't because regulation.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Yes, it would cost them a lot, billions probably, as it would be unconstitutional action. They would be forced to close the shop if they continued. [edit] It could however work if they throttle priority isp traffic to counterbalance.

> unconstitutional

How? Google is a private individual/company; they can deny anyone service, so long as the reason is not discriminating against a protected class.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

#75
I know this is "old news" now, but it's very fascinating that Google is suddenly so concerned about "the open internet" 4 days after EME was ratified (a proposal that they authored and forced other browsers into supporting thanks to their enormous browser share).

It feels like Google (and other companies for that matter) are only concerned about "the open internet" when it benefits their bottom line. In fact, I'm not convinced that Google _does_ care. For SOPA and PIPA they actually did a (lukewarm) blackout of their site for the day of action. Wikipedia shut down on that day. Where has all of the enthusiasm gone?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that HN hates "unproductive comments", but I feel my comment is as likely as effective of "raising net neutrality awareness" as the silly grey logo bar topping this website right now.

I'm glad this comment sits at the bottom of this post. It's reflective of how the zeitgeist actually cares about this issue. The Battle For the Net website mentions a vast range of online companies who apparently stood in solidarity to take action on this day. * Github: a blog post displayed on your feed. * Etsy: Nothing. * Kickstarter: Nothing. * Netflix: Nothing. * Twitter: Nothing. * Vimeo: A featured video on the…

> * Mozilla: Nothing.

Really not sure what you're talking about here.

Along with this blog post: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/07/11/defending-net-neutr...

There's a snippet on about:home about Net Neutrality for every Firefox user:

https://ffp4g1ylyit3jdyti1hqcvtb-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-...

We've got a form here to make it easy to submit your comments to the FCC: https://advocacy.mozilla.org/en-US/net-neutrality-comments

We even voiced 9hrs worth of Net Neutrality comments that had already been submitted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=twksX_S3vkg

The most recent episode of the IRL Podcast is centered completely around Net Neutrality: https://irlpodcast.org/episode2/

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

#77
post #73
post #13

Sorry Google (and FB, Amazon, etc.) this doesn't actually count as taking action. Not even a single link on their home page. An obscure post on a blog won't do shit. Let's stop pretending that you want net neutrality, Google, et al. Day of action my fucking ass.

Google is pissed because the Internet is now under Title II making it nearly impossible for them to lay their fiber along public roads anymore. You know how to really fuck over Comcast? Allow google to bring Fiber to every major city. But they can't because regulation.

Then maybe they, or Chairman Pai or someone, can talk about how to protect net neutrality in some way other than Title II.

Title II was instituted basically as a last resort. And nobody has been coming forward saying, "Okay.. we have a plan here to undo the Title II but still preserve net neutrality."

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

To state the obvious, this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality. Also, the belief that there would be "competitors in the user's area that don't play stupid games" that offer comparable services (eg, within a factor of 5x bandwidth-per-dollar value) seems to be a misunderstanding of the utility/monopoly/duopoly economics in play in many regions of the USA.

Network neutrality means that the network transit is neutral, endpoints such as Google are free to do as they wish. For example Google already blocks youtube videos based on ip address geo region.

But I agree that it wouldn't work because the ISP monopolies are more entrenched than the web service monopolies.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

#79

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

I think we need a new term and perhaps a visceral, easily understandable metaphor. Common Joe just doesn't get it or know what we're talking about. He instantly gets "death panel" or "fake news." But net neutrality sounds like something fuzzy almost benign.

Many countries don't have network neutrality. In Australia, Optus use to off "free social" where Facebook, Twitter, Wikipedia and a few other sites didn't count against your bandwidth.

Add network neutrality legislation and it would be very easy to lobby against: "Turnbull wants you to pay more for Facebook and Twitter"

Most people don't have an understanding of what Quality of Service is.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk.

Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power.

What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to come to Mars must pay equivalent US 100,000 million per vehicle." Alternatively, "I now own mars, who can come as well is up to my whim."

What if Microsoft issued a malicious patch that gave it access to the NSA's servers? What if Comcast slurped up FBI traffic?

In the internet and space age, corporations are getting enough real power that government power can be outright stepped over. Sure, say Comcast slurps data somehow from CIA and FBI, goes to prez, and says "give us x or we sell this to Russia," the US gov can turn around and threaten to arrest the CEO, or fine them, or kick down doors and start tearing apart infrastructure with the US military, but Comcast could easily say "do any of the above and the data is given to Russia, for free."

Musk has weaponised Mars, a state actor says "unweaponise it or be hanged," Musk can say "well, the cannon is automated, has 300 rounds of ammunition, and will not deactivate unless my secret passcode and the secret passcode of another person who I will not name, are provided. Per detected vehicle."

Etc.

Exciting, fun, terrifying. It can go fantastic for us (Google and Netflix telling telecoms to suck it), or absolutely horrifying (Comcast holding the US government hostage).

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