I'm just bummed Google didn't change their banner like the SOPA days. Big miss there.
Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet
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#312The only real way to ensure net neutrality is to ignore the bullshit and implement a distributed secure internet.
Net neutrality could be forced into place, regardless of the laws passed by Congress or the malfeasance of the ISPs.
I see no reason why Google would ever support such a thing.
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#313If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…
Workflow: 1. I pay an ISP to provide me with internet service 2. Google cuts off services from my ISP I've already paid. 3. I call my ISP and say "google told me to complain to you," they say, "thank you for your feedback." 4. I look for a competitor. There aren't any, or the competitors don't suit my needs. Which is why this problem happens in the first place. If I could go to a competitor, I would. This is the key…
You can use cell phone data.
Or buy internet from phone company instead of cable company.
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#314Elon Musk to the rescue... (again)
https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14952904/elon-musk-spacex...
Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet
#315If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…
Workflow: 1. I pay an ISP to provide me with internet service 2. Google cuts off services from my ISP I've already paid. 3. I call my ISP and say "google told me to complain to you," they say, "thank you for your feedback." 4. I look for a competitor. There aren't any, or the competitors don't suit my needs. Which is why this problem happens in the first place. If I could go to a competitor, I would. This is the key…
For the technically literate, three letters: VPN.
Unfortunately, they (we) are a minority.
Also, it's double expense, especially if you do something like Netflix.
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#316Google, Amazon, Netflix vs. ATT, Verizon, Comcast.
Monopolies vs monopolies.
Where's the freedom for us?
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#317I have never understood the need for net neutrality. That doesn't mean we don't need it, it means that no one has ever explained the need to me in a way that makes sense. Give me real world examples. What has any ISP done that would violate Net Neutrality that I would object to?
> What has any ISP done that would violate Net Neutrality that I would object to?
Here's a list:
https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-vio...
Excuse me for being blunt, but you're being willfully ignorant if you ask this question. A simple Google search of the exact wording of your question reveals this [1]
> "Internet providers have attempted to throttle traffic by type or by user (Comcast in 2007), have imposed arbitrary and secret caps on data (AT&T 2011-2014), hidden fees that had no justification or documentation (Comcast in 2016), and tried to give technical advantages to their own services over those of competitors (AT&T in 2016). These attempts were only revealed in retrospect once they were discovered and lawsuits filed."
[1] https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/19/these-are-the-arguments-ag...
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
Workflow: 1. I pay an ISP to provide me with internet service 2. Google cuts off services from my ISP I've already paid. 3. I call my ISP and say "google told me to complain to you," they say, "thank you for your feedback." 4. I look for a competitor. There aren't any, or the competitors don't suit my needs. Which is why this problem happens in the first place. If I could go to a competitor, I would. This is the key…
You can use cell phone data. Or buy internet from phone company instead of cable company.
These are both not reasonable alternatives for all people.
Cell phone data is usually much more expensive and often people don't have a lot of choice on what connection options they have.
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#319I didn't see any Net Neutrality related banner at: https://google.com So Google didn't do what they could here.
Agreed. I think it makes them look a bit complicit to not make their stance front and center as they did for SOPA with the blackout. I understand that companies don't want to get involved in politics, but, this is something that directly impacts the future of their business.
Long term company health ought to be interested in maintaining net neutrality. Those seeking short term profits would prefer the ability to gut existing company reputation in order to line executives' pockets. I believe Google is still long-term focused, but their lukewarm action here gives me some doubts.
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#320I don't understand the logic of ISP's throttling certain sites based on the traffic to those sites. As a consumer on ISP's last mile lines, I make a series of TCP requests and I expect responses. Fill my pipes with those responses as best you can and charge me for the privilege. If you're not making enough money on that, charge me more for the bandwidth. Market-wise, why would an ISP anything else than fill my pipe w…
>If you're not making enough money on that, charge me more for the bandwidth.
There's no such thing as "enough" money, only "more" and "less". Holding last-mile delivery of Netflix's content hostage for a ransom payment gives the ISP more money. So if they can do that, they will.