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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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We've banned this account for starting ideological flamewars. If you keep doing this it will eventually get your main account banned as well.

Out of curiosity, what would banning the main account do? I guess I understand if the threat of losing it is the impetus to behave well. I have to imagine it would just drive the user to create more throwaways, though.

Only those of us with the 'showdead' profile setting enabled will see them, though.

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I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

Technically, the US President holds the power to end life on Earth should he so desire. To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted. Even Comcast's power seems rather pitiful in comparison.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no safeguard in place that could prevent such a course of action if it were attempted

I can tell you for certain that there are dozens of safeguards. That scenario not only isn't possible, it's not plausible. Yes the President has the "codes" but those codes don't launch the missiles [1]. The scenario described is one in which there are literally nuclear warheads on a ballistic trajectory headed to the US with a verified source of origin.

I think the trope stays around because people, despite what they say publicly, like the idea of an emperor style president with supreme power.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-nuclear-wea...

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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I see a lot of shills posting their anti-Network Neutrality stuff here, so I wanted to chime in reminding folks of a few things: Telco's were forced at one point to share phone lines. Remember all those DSL startups? Remember speakeasy? This was called local loop unbundling. What did the Telco's do? everything possible to break or interfere with these startup service provides. The telco's felt that it was "their line…

Accusations of astroturfing and shillage aren't allowed here unless you have evidence, and someone else having a different opinion doesn't count as evidence. Please don't post like this to HN.

For those who want to read further about HN's approach to this, there's another thread from today at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14753932 and links to much more from there.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Yes. And they are trying to kill every other browser as well :-/ At this point I dislike chrome for exactly the same reasons I disliked IE: it is not good enough for me [0] and its sheer dominance makes web creators lazy and triggers bean counters to skimp on cross browser compatibility checks. But this time they could actually use it for good. [0]: yep. You would hear the same thing back then: You are the only one w…

>it is not good enough for me Well, I am curious: what makes other browsers better for you? The other day I posed this question in a thread, and the main answer was "a good feeling inside". Then the news that Mozilla forces you into being tracked by Google Analytics comes out, and that good feeling is gone, so what's your use case?

Well, I am curious: what makes other browsers better for you?

Real extensions? Yeah I know they will be less useful than they used to be but still way better than anything else it seems.

The fact that it handles my browsing habits like a few hundred open tabs?

Oh, and by now using almost any other browser than chrome give me a happy feeling. The limit goes somewhere between Edge and IE it seems :-P

Then the news that Mozilla forces you into being tracked by Google Analytics comes out, and that good feeling is gone, so what's your use case?

I didn't see that and didn't find anything when I searched now. Do you have any pointers?

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As a New Zealander, I find it extraordinarily inappropriate that global infrastructure like the Internet is being shaped by the whims of US politics and corporate culture. The Internet is a global network of global concern and it should be above the manoeuvring of Republicans and American Internet providers

Are there any examples of this happening?

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Net neutrality regulations were adopted to protect (and in some degree restore) the net neutrality condition ; the internet was largely neutral from its inception; though by the early 00s threats to neutrality in practice were becoming clear, and the FCC began discussion the issue, adopting open internet principles that it first attempted to promote via case-by-case action (which was limited by the courts), then Titl…

One thing I've wondered is why ISPs turned evil after so many years of voluntary net neutrality.

They didn't change. They bought eachother and squeezed out competition out until their influence was more powerful than the consequences of playing unfairly. A long long time ago, you could choose between dozens of ISPs. That is no longer true.

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Hasn't the spirit of the Internet always been about a neutral Internet? That spirit was being threatened and so regulations were put in place to keep it neutral.

We have retroactively latched on to this RMS style idea of a digital library of alexandria that has somehow been abandoned. It's like nobody remembers the internet of the 90s and how blatantly over the top siloed it was for the average AOL style user. I mean I remember my paid dial up internet service came on a floppy and had it's own browser and pop-up ads. The "free" services required that you click on header links…

AOL was not originally an ISP. That was a service they added to their other private services around when they adopted the america online name.

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I see a lot of shills posting their anti-Network Neutrality stuff here, so I wanted to chime in reminding folks of a few things: Telco's were forced at one point to share phone lines. Remember all those DSL startups? Remember speakeasy? This was called local loop unbundling. What did the Telco's do? everything possible to break or interfere with these startup service provides. The telco's felt that it was "their line…

France isn’t as nice as you picture it. In rural and semi-rural France, Orange still has the monopoly and the service is as atrocious as one would expect. With less regulation out here there could actually be more competition. The “competition” still consists or pretty much 3 companies. Trying to start your own ISP out here requires moving a mountain; it’s close to impossible. It’s a cabal.

Not arguing that it’s worse than the US, but I did have FIOS I’m Jersey City several years ago that was faster then than the so called “high speed” fiber is in French cities now. On paper, really fast connections exist, but they are based on geographic luck rather than the result of good policy.

What really needs to happen is that internet providers should be decoupled from TV providers. It might just be my tin foil hat not working but it feels like Netflix and iTunes gets throttled or has very temperamental connections, but watching some high def content from Orange just flies. Same exact wires. Orange has a huge incentive to prioritize their services. Yet supposedly, net neutrality is in France? I bet there is some fine print that allows Oranage to prioritize their content.

I am ranting because I have a business internet plan that has a full 0.75 Mbs upload speed and I pay more than did in Jersey City where I have a 200 Mbs upload speed – with worse service and a disasterous excuse for customer service.

Being “more like France” is rarely a good idea when it comes to technology. Hopefully, Macron will change that.

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This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

I think we need a new term and perhaps a visceral, easily understandable metaphor. Common Joe just doesn't get it or know what we're talking about. He instantly gets "death panel" or "fake news." But net neutrality sounds like something fuzzy almost benign.

The ever popular 'Free Choice/Freedom' angle? Removal of Net Neutrality ensures that the ISP gets to decide what the consumer watches. 'Don't let them tell you what to watch!' (followed by horrified alpha males watching Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman on Youtube or whatever else passes for horrifying nowadays.)

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He would have to avoid triggering the 25th: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice Pre…

There would be no time. He literally has a phone on the desk that he can launch all the nukes in a few minutes notice, and NOBODY can stop him without illegally refusing to follow orders (hope to god they would obviously) but assuming everything works as designed the world would end.

Not exactly true. There is a two man rule to launch. On paper the president has the power, but there are extensive safeguards in place.
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