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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by notriddle »

reitanqild wrote: post #103
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Well, -just place an annoying ad that shows up for everyone including customers, employees and executives who use any google property: """You seem to be using which is a lousy internet provider for reasons x, y and z. Feel free to call them now at or send a mail to and let them know what you think. Also here are other known providers in your area: You can also sign and to show your interest to other sane providers th…

Didn't they already basically kill Internet Explorer this way?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by sappapp »

Nition wrote: post #124
komali2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

I love these ideas because - apart from the railgun one - the far-fetched part isn't even whether those things are possible, it's just whether anyone would want to. The Twitter nukes one wouldn't even have to ruin trust in the platform that badly. They could say the president's account got hacked. Hell, blame the hack on China if you're already trying to start a war there.

You have some serious thinking to do

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by komali2 »

adventured wrote: post #120
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think parent's overall point is that the private sector has amassed quite a lot of power that could overstep / bypass the government entirely. It's not outside the realm of possibility that a team of rogue people in one or more social companies could literally trigger a war or worse. It wasn't about one specific, small example but the big picture. Since these companies care about profit and the people running the c…

> the private sector has amassed quite a lot of power that could overstep / bypass the government entirely I understand and that's a fantasy at best, which was my point. The US Government is radically more powerful than any corporation inside of its domain. It's not even remotely close. They're more powerful than every corporation in the US combined. The moment they send federal agents to shut down Google HQ (even if…

But that's exactly my point - the US government has the kinds of enforcement power that deals with sending in troops to kick down doors and lock people in steel cages.

Google has the kind of power that staves off that from even happening in the first place. The US government isn't a singular entity, it is comprised of several hundred individually powerful people. Three branches, plus several military branches, each with their own branches of authority and people of power. Then you have states with their own 3 branches and national guards, police. You have a national police equivalent (NSA, CIA, FBI, ATF, Border Control).

That's a lot of people google can go to and say "Interesting that you are into midget porn, I wonder what would happen if the whole world knew that?"

That's a lot of people google can go to and say "Did you know that your neighboring state's governor is having an affair with a man? Give us this land grant for server space and we'll give you the proof."

"Give us guaranteed protection from the Fed and we'll give you the entire query history from all whitehouse IP addresses."

"Do not fuck with us or we will DDOS every single DNS server in the world with our absurdly massive server infrastructure."

"Do not fuck with us or we will turn the public against you by messaging the 63,000 people using our site per second"

"Do not fuck with us or we will make your very existence invisible to 80% of the people on the internet."

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by chiefofgxbxl »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #126
ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

This is exactly what I thought. Went to reddit.com...where's the Net Neutrality protest? Oh I just realized they made their logo a gif that looks like it loads slow...and they made a post... Went to google.com...the doodle is unrelated and I saw nothing about net neutrality on the site... Went to mozilla.org and I see absolutely nothing about it. I feel like I must be missing something here. Hackernews...looks the sa…

Agreed, this is a very poor showing of support from major websites.

I remember Wikipedia doing a "black out" day, along with several other websites years back. If you visited the web page, all you saw was a black page and a quick explanation that the web could be censored if legislation were to pass.

I've visited several participants' sites to see nothing. GitHub didn't have a single thing, Wikipedia: nothing, and Google (or Alphabet) isn't even listed on the list of participants [0].

[0] https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/#participants

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by spookyuser »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #126
ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

This is exactly what I thought. Went to reddit.com...where's the Net Neutrality protest? Oh I just realized they made their logo a gif that looks like it loads slow...and they made a post... Went to google.com...the doodle is unrelated and I saw nothing about net neutrality on the site... Went to mozilla.org and I see absolutely nothing about it. I feel like I must be missing something here. Hackernews...looks the sa…

I think archive.org has the best Net Neutrality protest. Very _in your face_ and clear

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by komali2 »

sappapp wrote: post #142
Nition wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love these ideas because - apart from the railgun one - the far-fetched part isn't even whether those things are possible, it's just whether anyone would want to. The Twitter nukes one wouldn't even have to ruin trust in the platform that badly. They could say the president's account got hacked. Hell, blame the hack on China if you're already trying to start a war there.

You have some serious thinking to do

If you're going to offhand dismiss someone's imaginative ability, I think the onus is on you to provide a little more insight than "you're stupid."

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by reitanqild »

notriddle wrote: post #141
reitanqild wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, -just place an annoying ad that shows up for everyone including customers, employees and executives who use any google property: """You seem to be using which is a lousy internet provider for reasons x, y and z. Feel free to call them now at or send a mail to and let them know what you think. Also here are other known providers in your area: You can also sign and to show your interest to other sane providers th…

Didn't they already basically kill Internet Explorer this way?

Yes. And they are trying to kill every other browser as well :-/

At this point I dislike chrome for exactly the same reasons I disliked IE: it is not good enough for me[0] and its sheer dominance makes web creators lazy and triggers bean counters to skimp on cross browser compatibility checks.

But this time they could actually use it for good.

[0]: yep. You would hear the same thing back then: You are the only one wanting to use another browser. Just get over it and use IE.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by chiefofgxbxl »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Also something to note: Google is not listed on the list of participants on the "battle for the net" web page. [0]

Is this a mistake? Am I missing something?

[0] https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/#participants

Edit: I also checked for the parent company "Alphabet", which also is not listed.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by lerpa »

Net neutrality just helps the status quo, and forces the "evil greedy ISPs" to take your money. Yeah let's show them by giving them money and no competition to their business... wait.

Vote for less regulation, not just getting rid of NN but getting rid of the monopolies that exist at the local level.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by minusSeven »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

>Google would probably lose money over it

I think that's why they won't.you are asking them to do something where they have a deep conflict of interest not to.

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