Live data from Hacker News

Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

theguardian.com

71–80 of 116 posts

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

#71
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean perpetually then? This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. I could share some stories my mom told me about her workplace experiences from the 70s to the 90s. They're much more disturbing than being passed over for promotion. So perhaps things have gotten better.

> This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. If you're tired of reading about it, imagine how exhausting it must be for women who have to actually live with it.

While sitting in his open office with another employee next to me my boss, the owner of the company, bellowed at me "If I were 30 years younger, I'd jump over this table and fuck you!" I laughed. Two months later I received my bonus; the day after that I gave notice. That comment wasn't the worst thing he had said or done to me.

That also wasn't the first time I had been harassed at work. In the beginning it was a little exhausting because I felt I should stick it out - perhaps as some sort psychological rite of passage. However, I eventually learned the easy way to deal with it. Don't fight. Don't argue. Just leave. There are men and women who deal with harassment everyday gracefully.

The tech industry is so expansive and filled with opportunity that the moment I feel an employer doesn't have my back, I know I can split and not care. I don't know why more people don't see it the same way.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

#72
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting from Darwinian perspective; that as a species we've produced a system that could select a "less fit" candidate. I wonder if there are other examples of this type of behaviour in nature or if we're the first?

Oftentimes when an evolutionary process produces a "less fit" candidate, it's because our intuitive notions of what fitness is are wrong. A bunch of examples from business: Betamax vs. VHS is often cited as an example of the market rewarding an inferior technical solution. Betamax's picture quality was better, but the key VHS feature was you could fit a 90-100 minute feature film on a single tape (Betamax tapes were…

interesting; so (perhaps) an 'underperformer' can be 'more fit' due to other factors.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To paraphrase: "Im not saying it didn't happen and I have nothing to back this up, but here's a wild accusation I just thought up." why is this the top comment? Do you have any actual facts to add?

Sometimes specific articles spark a look at a system as a broader whole. I don't see any reason to discourage that. Also, it's literally a comment using hacker mentality to analyze a system. Why would it not be the top comment on a self-selected-hacker-populated forum?

[deleted]

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

#75
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Verge produce anything original or is it all blog regurgitation? How much of the web today is blog revomit vs original content?

They were OK their first year or so, then they went the way of every other reactionary "news" site and peddled clickbait and incendiary political op-eds.

Not sure what you mean by reactionary; they seem pretty centre-left.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

#76
post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

Tesla's statement is very interesting. They say: "Despite repeatedly receiving special treatment at the expense of others, Ms. Vandermeyden nonetheless chose to pursue a miscarriage of justice by suing Tesla and falsely attacking our company in the press"

So Tesla is claiming that they discriminated against other employees and harmed them at this woman's behest.

Strange claim, since it is actionable by these supposed people who they harmed and admits that Tesla's management is incompetent and engages in gender discrimination.

It seems that like Uber most people with real skill and talent are jumping the Tesla ship before it goes down.

This is a side show compared to Tesla's other problems (just like Uber) but it is in these cases where there is an emotional impact as opposed to boring numbers that people actually take notice of how incompetent the management of a company really is.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

#78
post #40
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it makes the most sense to allege some kind of harassment if you feel you are underperforming in your job and wish to get ahead That's true for men as much for women. But I have not seen that argument used for men. So, I don't say that you are discriminating against women, as I don't know if you use this argument also when we talk about men, but you should understand that without further information it looks like y…

I specifically used the words "protected class" in my statement, which covers: race, sex, pregnancy, religion, national origin, disability, age, military service, bankruptcy, genetic information, citizenship status, gender identity, sexual orientation. Leveling thinly-veiled accusations of sexism ('it looks like you are telling us that "women" do this while "men" don't') is the reason why these topics don't advance f…

Because sex doesn't just mean female. Males are an equally protected class in terms of gender based discrimination laws. So you pointing out that you specified "protected class" doesn't really mean much, since it equally applies.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

#79
post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

To paraphrase: "Im not saying it didn't happen and I have nothing to back this up, but here's a wild accusation I just thought up." why is this the top comment? Do you have any actual facts to add?

The my theory top comment is an HN classic.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

#80
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I specifically used the words "protected class" in my statement, which covers: race, sex, pregnancy, religion, national origin, disability, age, military service, bankruptcy, genetic information, citizenship status, gender identity, sexual orientation. Leveling thinly-veiled accusations of sexism ('it looks like you are telling us that "women" do this while "men" don't') is the reason why these topics don't advance f…

Because sex doesn't just mean female. Males are an equally protected class in terms of gender based discrimination laws. So you pointing out that you specified "protected class" doesn't really mean much, since it equally applies.

>So you pointing out that you specified "protected class" doesn't really mean much

It means that I was intentionally being inclusive of everyone, and so these accusations are really trying to reach for something that isn't there.

Post reply on HN