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Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

daenz wrote: post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

The problem with your argument is that it's impossible to measure or get reliable statistics on, so your game theory argument falls apart on empirical grounds.

Perhaps theoretically your point would stand, however it's entirely too politically charged to do anything but find polarizing responses.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by thsowers »

driverdan wrote: post #34

Can we get this switched from Verge's blogspam to the original source? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/05/tesla-sex...

Wish the Guardian had a better title than "She took on Tesla for discrimination. Now others are speaking up. 'It's too big to deny'"

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by 0xbear »

drewrv wrote: post #29
0xbear wrote: post #2

I was wondering when the other shoe was going to drop. Now both of the "star" SV CEOs who had the gall to constructively engage with the administration are under fire for "harassment". I wonder how Thiel has managed to avoid these Alinsky playbook tactics so far. In any company of tens of thousands of people, you can always find a few people who are mistreated (even at such bastions of social justice as Google and Mi…

> In any company of tens of thousands of people, you can always find a few people who are mistreated It's how the company handles these situations that matters. If the guy who harassed Susan Fowler was fired instead of promoted, Kalanick would probably still have his job.

Sure, but to say that Tesla sanctions systematic discrimination and harassment of women based on just one accusation and "anonymous" sources is a classic liberal playbook move.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by abiox »

kartan wrote: post #30
daenz wrote: post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

> it makes the most sense to allege some kind of harassment if you feel you are underperforming in your job and wish to get ahead That's true for men as much for women. But I have not seen that argument used for men. So, I don't say that you are discriminating against women, as I don't know if you use this argument also when we talk about men, but you should understand that without further information it looks like y…

> as the situation is exactly the same.

it's not clear that the court system is impartial to gender, so this doesn't seem so obvious to me.

nor is it clear that mistreatment of men is culturally seen as much of an issue as the mistreatment of women.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by scient »

ams6110 wrote: post #23

> She also recalled receiving a T-shirt as a new employee that depicted Musk as a superhero Wow. I think that would have me running for the door if that happened to me. I know CEO egos are big but that's seriously narcissistic.

Dont think these companies want to hire people who freak out over meaningless things like this...

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by bjl »

scient wrote: post #45
ams6110 wrote: post #23

> She also recalled receiving a T-shirt as a new employee that depicted Musk as a superhero Wow. I think that would have me running for the door if that happened to me. I know CEO egos are big but that's seriously narcissistic.

Dont think these companies want to hire people who freak out over meaningless things like this...

Having a severe narcissist as CEO is hardly 'meaningless'.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by rgbrenner »

daenz wrote: post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

To paraphrase: "Im not saying it didn't happen and I have nothing to back this up, but here's a wild accusation I just thought up."

why is this the top comment? Do you have any actual facts to add?

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by TaizWeb »

I wonder how long this trend will go on for, and how many wrongful accusations will come out of it. That's not to say all of these claims are fabrications, but it really does seem to be a bandwagon-type of situation. If you'd recall an earlier scandal with a youtube star, Sam Pepper, after the first woman came forward dozens of others claimed to have been sexually harassed by him. At the end of it, it was proven he had never sexually harassed anyone, and that the videos were "pranks" to garner views by Pepper himself. I believe something similar is happening here, and once women see they can make claims with little to no evidence and receive publicity, a flood of them "come forward" in an attempt to gain it.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by mattferderer »

dleslie wrote: post #39
daenz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the individual were under-performing then that would have been adequate reason to fire them Not if they had a claim of harassment, which is my point. Now any firing looks like retaliation, similarly to what is being claimed by Vandermeyden's lawyer. According to Tesla, she was fired for false accusations of harassment, as proven by an independent third party investigation (reported in the link). But because she m…

If an individual were genuinely under-performing, and the company were decently managed, then there would be a paper trail of feedback and attempts to rectify the situation which would indicate that the individual was not performing adequately. Such a paper trail is what allows a company to defend itself in wrongful dismissal lawsuits. The sort of lawsuit that arises when an individual is wrongfully dismissed for non…

I once heard that LinkedIn endorsements by fellow co-workers & especially supervisors can come in to play as evidence that you performed well.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by 0xbear »

pixelcloud wrote: post #38
awinder wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that this comment hasn't been downvoted into oblivion yet (in fact, it may be the top comment on this thread right now) is galling. I'll go ahead and emphatically state that I did down-vote this, because chalking up someone being mistreated in the workforce to a coordinated liberal agenda will get you banned from the comment section on most real news websites, but apparently it makes you a fuckin' hero aroun…

OPs comment is so disconnected from the article its actually funny. That person did not read it.

How is it "disconnected from the article"? There's just one concrete accuser. The verbiage in the rest of the article makes it sound like women are systematically harassed and discriminated against at Tesla, which I'd bet a good amount of money is not true.

I totally believe that in any large company there are a few douchebags who harass and discriminate against others (women and men alike). Literally any company of over 1000 people could be subject to this kind of ire.

The question is then "cui bono"? The answer is pretty obvious: next time any SV exec will not even think to engage with people liberal elites don't like.

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