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Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by abiox »

rgbrenner wrote: post #47
daenz wrote: post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

To paraphrase: "Im not saying it didn't happen and I have nothing to back this up, but here's a wild accusation I just thought up." why is this the top comment? Do you have any actual facts to add?

what was the accusation?

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by jdmichal »

rgbrenner wrote: post #47
daenz wrote: post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

To paraphrase: "Im not saying it didn't happen and I have nothing to back this up, but here's a wild accusation I just thought up." why is this the top comment? Do you have any actual facts to add?

Sometimes specific articles spark a look at a system as a broader whole. I don't see any reason to discourage that.

Also, it's literally a comment using hacker mentality to analyze a system. Why would it not be the top comment on a self-selected-hacker-populated forum?

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by sushisource »

ams6110 wrote: post #23

> She also recalled receiving a T-shirt as a new employee that depicted Musk as a superhero Wow. I think that would have me running for the door if that happened to me. I know CEO egos are big but that's seriously narcissistic.

You're assuming it was his idea. I doubt that.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by notadoc »

driverdan wrote: post #34

Can we get this switched from Verge's blogspam to the original source? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/05/tesla-sex...

Does Verge produce anything original or is it all blog regurgitation?

How much of the web today is blog revomit vs original content?

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by beepboopbeep »

tbabb wrote: post #33
davexunit wrote: post #21

Nearly all of the top-level comments thus far are disgusting and shameful. What is wrong with this place?

The topic of women and minorities in tech really provokes HN to display its neckbeard plumage. Really, I don't know why I click on the comments of these articles. People in tech-- nerdy or socially insecure men in particular-- often tie their self worth to their jobs or their skills. A mere whiff that the reason that they have their position isn't because they're innately better than everyone else threatens that sens…

Not just defensive, but like...totally devoid of a human perspective. It's the weirdest thing but it's very consistent

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by kevincrane »

araglia wrote: post #36
davexunit wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The subject will be brought up again and again until the issues are addressed.

You mean perpetually then? This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. I could share some stories my mom told me about her workplace experiences from the 70s to the 90s. They're much more disturbing than being passed over for promotion. So perhaps things have gotten better.

> This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it.

If you're tired of reading about it, imagine how exhausting it must be for women who have to actually live with it.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by beepboopbeep »

TaizWeb wrote: post #48

I wonder how long this trend will go on for, and how many wrongful accusations will come out of it. That's not to say all of these claims are fabrications, but it really does seem to be a bandwagon-type of situation. If you'd recall an earlier scandal with a youtube star, Sam Pepper, after the first woman came forward dozens of others claimed to have been sexually harassed by him. At the end of it, it was proven he h…

Why wouldn't groups of people come forward once they find out that they aren't the only one enduring some bull shit?

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by Osmium »

daenz wrote: post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

> The pros vastly outweigh the cons: [...]

This is not true, and sounds like it's written from the perspective of someone who hasn't had to go through this. I don't have personal experience with this, but for many people, it sounds like a very difficult thing to come forward to talk about harassment, with huge potential downsides and stigmas associated with it, even as the wronged party. And anyone prepared to talk about it should be treated with empathy and respect and shouldn't have to face a court of public opinion (like this thread) until whatever appropriate investigations are complete.

Yes, your point is true, that if you act like a sociopath you can exploit this system, but if you act like a sociopath there are many social contracts you can exploit. But I imagine you will find very few people who would actually do this, and it's besides the point for this discussion (and actually counterproductive, if it creates an environment that discourages other people to come forward, thus delaying fixing a very clear and obvious problem for many right now).

I usually try to avoid commenting online on social matters, but there's a lot of unpleasantness here, and it feels important to try and respond to it.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by unhinged_wanker »

daenz wrote: post #12

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…

Holy shit. "from a game theory perspective" may be the single most bullshit y-combinator comment of all time.

"The pros vastly outweigh the cons" what fucking planet do you live on? The fucking article is how the women got fired, completely contradicting your goofy idea about how it's a win and you're 'safe'.

but the HUGE mindfuck here is that you believe thousands of men and women are outright lying in the biggest con game of all time but that a "a few assholes with power being assholes and not being checked by their peers" is a FUCKING BRIDGE TOO FAR THAT COULD NEVER REASONABLY HAPPEN WE MUST USE GAME THEORY TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH!!

"you get social credit as a victim" fuck you, you giant asshole.

Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla

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Post by abiox »

davexunit wrote: post #26
araglia wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fatigue of the subject possibly.

The subject will be brought up again and again until the issues are addressed.

well, there are other possibilities; such as the philosophical-political underpinnings establishing the existence of 'the issues' (whatever that is) being countered.
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