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Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Your NIN is proof of address, if you can get it first. A company can give you a letter to confirm that you work for them, that's also usable as a proof of address.

It took me a month to get my NIN, which would have meant I wouldn't have been paid, and would have been unable to pay rent. (First job out of University). None of the banks I spoke to (TSB, Santander, nationwide, RBS) would accept a letter from my employer

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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When I got my job at NeXT computer I remember Steve Jobs saying to me that there were only two people there without degrees, and he was one of them (and I was the other.)

I heard a story about him where he fired someone in an elevator because he found out they didn't have a degree.

Wouldn't surprise me...Steve fired me more than once. He was volatile. I learned to mostly ignore him, and just do the right thing.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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>Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind. And yet, if you're a Near-Eastern economic migrant with no French and a 2000 word vocabulary in your native tongue ...welcome aboard.

Given that we've warned you more than once before, this easily exceeds the threshold for banning you. Please don't post like this again. National/racial/religious/ethnic flamebait is emphatically not welcome here.

Ban away. What was said in my post is both true and pertinent. On the other hand, what is not germane to the discussion is the moderation-enforced ethos being peddled by YC's etiquette police. I, and many others, are here to discuss tech, including those things which affect tech lifestyle, and this does include Europe's present demographic crisis.

Good luck squelching the world's dissenting worldviews.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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I am French and I went through the process of immigrating to both the UK and the US. While I agree that France is particularly painful about burocracy, what you describe is not a breeze elsewhere either. You have to compare with other systems, cause I don't know of any immigrants who can say "oh coming here was so easy". That is unless you're sent by a big company who takes care of everything.

Moving to the US was easier than navigating the French administration as a French citizen. I was able to open a bank account on day 2, without an ID. Obtaining the ID required a trip to the DMV, which while time-consuming, wasn't an especially complex endeavour. Only issue I ran into was the government shutdown, and that affected everyone.

I have never heard of anyone ever getting a driver's license in 2 days.

unless your bank accepted the matrix printer temporary one that doesn't even have a b&w photo.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Moving to the US was easier than navigating the French administration as a French citizen. I was able to open a bank account on day 2, without an ID. Obtaining the ID required a trip to the DMV, which while time-consuming, wasn't an especially complex endeavour. Only issue I ran into was the government shutdown, and that affected everyone.

I don't know how you did it. Every bank I went to asked me for 2 official ID documents (which I didn't have). Getting a social security number was not particularly hard Having no credit history was a pain in the ass. DMV was annoying. That my wife could not work on my visa was a problem. The green card process was long and painful. Showing your genitals to a doctor to get a residency card was an unexpected and unplea…

don't forget the mandatory tuberculosis culture test under your skin if you are from a 1st world country that uses vaccines.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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I did it in 2013, with a C&T visa and a very weak grasp of the language. It took about 40 hours (mostly standing in various lines) to get my residence card. Some bureaucrats fucked with me because they could, and some were helpful but still followed their own version of the rules. For example, one day photocopies of bills were acceptable for proof of address (but something else was not acceptable) and the very next d…

For the proof of residence, an option nowadays is to book a place long term on airbnb, say 6 months or more, and then put the utilities in your name. Even just one utility may be enough, like water or electricity, maybe even internet too. Then you can use the utility bill as proof of address without needing to sign a formal rental agreement. Note that most governmental places will not accept an AirBnB receipt as proo…

don't do airbnb.

for longer than 30 days there are hundreds of real state places that find much better place for half the airbnb price. absolutely everyone will speak fluent English (differently from airbnb).

only downside is a deposit like any other rent

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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For the proof of residence, an option nowadays is to book a place long term on airbnb, say 6 months or more, and then put the utilities in your name. Even just one utility may be enough, like water or electricity, maybe even internet too. Then you can use the utility bill as proof of address without needing to sign a formal rental agreement. Note that most governmental places will not accept an AirBnB receipt as proo…

don't do airbnb. for longer than 30 days there are hundreds of real state places that find much better place for half the airbnb price. absolutely everyone will speak fluent English (differently from airbnb). only downside is a deposit like any other rent

The big advantage is avoiding the catch 22 the above poster experienced. With AirBnB you can get a place without having a French bank account, which requires a French address. And you can book a place in the future before you arrive in France which is important for some visas that require you have housing established before you go.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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And the parent is mistaking, he's probably American. You cannot use a bank accounts well across EU country. Banks are a very localized service, they provide specific account number formats and payment methods by country. It will be a huge hassle day to day when you want a SEPA transfer and the guy expects a RIB or a sort code. It's worse with UK and Switzerland because they have a different currency. You really need…

I have UK and French accounts with the same bank. Both work fine for making payments in other EU countries. I can transfer money between them whenever I want (or spot a better exchange rate).

Using an Austrian bank account in Germany was basically indesitnguishsble from using a German bank account. Nevertheless opening a German bank account was trivial.

And all bank transfers within the EU (not sure if the U.K. is a special case) are free of charge, and IBAN/BIC used everywhere. I routinely transfer money between my Austrian and German accounts.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Note that immigration inside the EU is way easier than with other countries. You don't need a visa, working permit, special bank account (for US citizens, since the bank must report income, etc, to the US gov), your driving license is valid, etc.

Not really. You change languages, currency, you need new bank accounts, new health insurance, completely different educational system. All administrations are different. The culture is also a shock. You will never find any of the grocery or shop you used to buy. A French going to the UK is not much different than a Mexican going to the USA. The only advantage is that you don't risk being deported by the police if the…

That's a huge advantage tho, especially if you don't already have a job offer at hand. In fact if you're not in a well paid/in-demand profession like software dev it is almost impossible to immigrate legally from outside the EU.
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