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Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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No, around 40k€ / year, before taxes.

The minimum salary for people who work in France on this Visa is €53,836.50 by law. The minimum legal salary for people working on H1B in the US is $60000, but in practice, the salary is of course much higher. This isn't going to draw very many Silicon Valley engineers to France, but it could bring some people to France who failed to get an H1B.

Bear in mind that with €53,836.50 in Paris you can rent 40/45m² (if you're alone).

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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That's so fucking backwards. France was, is and will remain a shit place for any serious entrepreneur. Literally no single unicorn founder from the US would have satisfied these old fashioned conservative anti-progression requirements.

It's more nuanced than it seems on the surface. I started with a similar opinion but I have to say there is something to be said for everyone from hairdressers on up actually having some form of relevant qualification. At least for the trades etc. - you end up with much more knowledgeable practitioners. There are problems though: it leads to very early specialisation (when someone fresh out of school may still not be…

You also end up with situations where people drive all day from the UK and back to do some interior decoration/carpentry/whatever over the weekend, because the locals are so expensive that you can pay extremely well for non-French EU professionals and still be better off.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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It looks great on paper but the devil will be in the detail and how well they execute on the admin/bureaucracy side. If my experience a few years ago with the auto entrepreneur scheme and URSAFF are anything to go by, you'll need a lot of patience, the ability to speak half decent French and a sense of humour if you want to avoid ripping all your hair out :) I love France (have even married one of their citizens!) bu…

I went through a similar situation myself and had a similar yet more positive experience.

> Why did we need to migrate accounts? Because you could only deposit cheques in the same department as your local branch.

Not true for all banks, national ones (like BNP) always allowed to deposit anywhere, and for most you could mail directly to the account branch (no need to go through a friend). Also, online banks solve this nicely.

> Why were we depositing cheques?! Because half of France (including my fiancées' employer at the time) still uses them for everything (which is also great fun if you're in a rush in Super-U and the person in front decides to pay with one).

"Half" is overemphatic, even for 2013. This is not the case anymore, huge majority now pays via chip and pin cards and waiting in line is not so much of a problem with self-checkout machines.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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I'm French and I moved to San Diego, so.... My health insurance is paid by my company and I don't really care about free education. Yet, after all my bills, groceries for the month and rent (which is around $2k/month) is paid, I still have almost $2k / month in my pocket to do whatever I want. Good luck to have that in France. The quality of life in Southern California is miles ahead from what I could have in France.…

I'm French and I'm curious as to how you moved and got a job in SD ? Thanks

I went to an engineering school in France. In France it takes 5 years to get a master degree.

Each year we must do an internship that varies in length between 1 month in first year to 6 months in the final year.

While I was in school, one of my friend and me, created a small game server hosting company (Minecraft, counter strike, ...). We started with 0€ and ended up with ~2k/month each, more than the minimal salary, while being students. We were working on that after school and during the week ends. It was technically challenging and we both learned a lot quickly (Rails, how to manage and promote a company, how to handle customer service, ...) .I remember we even used the first versions of Docker to create game server containers.

Thanks to that, I got an internship in Switzerland during my 2nd year.

That school requires that during your 3rd year of study you have to do a 3 months minimum internship (up to 9 months using your 4th year) in an english speaking coutry.

Most of the students go to the UK or Australia, because they are cheap options, but thanks to my job in Switzerland I had tons of money and I wanted to go to New York so I sent hundreds of resume to companies in New York. I finally got contacted for an internship offer but in San Diego. I had no better option so I accepted. I didn't even know where was San Diego.

I worked during 9 months and I loved this city. I went back to France to get my degree and instead of doing my final internship in France, like everyone does to get a job, I sent a couple of resume to companies in San Diego.

It was way more easy this time due to my first experience and I was able to get an offer from one of the best company in San Diego.

I worked well and after I got my degree the company wanted to switch me full time, so they applied for an H1B. I did not get it the first year but got it the second time. I had to work remotely for ~9 months because my intern visa (J1) expired but I finally went back to San Diego. Now I'm waiting on my green card (EB2).

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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It looks great on paper but the devil will be in the detail and how well they execute on the admin/bureaucracy side. If my experience a few years ago with the auto entrepreneur scheme and URSAFF are anything to go by, you'll need a lot of patience, the ability to speak half decent French and a sense of humour if you want to avoid ripping all your hair out :) I love France (have even married one of their citizens!) bu…

For the record, I have not emitted a check in France for at least the past 10 years. I might have cashed one or two.

It's also the default when paying for a car or other big expenses that would overflow card limits.

Some doctors are also hell-bent on not taking carte vitale and "tiers payant", nor credit card. In such cases checks are practical.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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I wonder if there are any avenues to do this as a sole proprietor? I'm an unattached programmer with a bunch of independent projects released and in the works, but I'm not really interested in doing a full-on "startup". Currently looking into DAFT, but I think France is a bit closer to my heart!

You could get a long term visitor visa. Lasts one year and is renewable. You need to prove that you have income, medical insurance, and promise not to work for a French company in France. http://sanfrancisco.consulfrance.org/spip.php?article2703

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Four years renewable is nice, but the higher tiers of "international tech talent" employees are usually eligible for a permanent residence permit in Germany. Does France have anything to compete with that, other than better food?

It's four years renewable for the residence permit, but really the important thing is to have a work contract. You get the residence permit because of the work contract. So if you still have a work contract after four years, you would just apply for another residence permit. You can have a work contract that has no expiration (no fixed duration).

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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I live and work in France and I am well versed in this type of Visa. It's a very nice arrangement, but it's still France. It's still dealing with the same administrative burdens for everything else. You don't get treated special, you just have a special deal. I've said before that if France wants to attract foreign talent what they need to do is assign someone in the French administration to help workers get establis…

Why not get a bank account in a different Eurozone country? SEPA transfers are required to be the same price as domestic in those countries.

US citizens should note that US Federal law requires you to file a statement of your overseas accounts every year, and your foreign bank must report your assets to the US government. There are steep fines if the foreign bank does not comply. This puts a burden and risk on many banks so they sometimes refuse to let Americans open bank accounts with them. And even when they do open an account for you, expect to provide a lot of official documentation (passports, social security number). Just another benefit of being from the land of the free.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Account_Tax_Compliance...

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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I'm French and I moved to San Diego, so.... My health insurance is paid by my company and I don't really care about free education. Yet, after all my bills, groceries for the month and rent (which is around $2k/month) is paid, I still have almost $2k / month in my pocket to do whatever I want. Good luck to have that in France. The quality of life in Southern California is miles ahead from what I could have in France.…

"Good luck to have that in France." It's not as hard as you seem to think. Earning ~3500 euros/month (net of taxes) is definitely doable as a software developer if you have good skills.

I should have said "Good luck to have that in France, when you are fresh out of school".

I know you can have the same salary in Paris than in the US but it requires 20 years of experience and two degrees from X and Normal Sup.

My friends make on average ~1800€/month after tax and most of them still need to live with their parents. A majority of them want to move out of France. I understand them, no way you study so hard to make 600€ more than the minimum wage (~1200€/month).

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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From reading the comments there seems to be huge potential for a startup in France: Making it easy to navigate the bureaucracy. Automate everything, streamline communications, speed up enquiries, etc

This is assuming that the bureaucracy cannot be disrupted itself outside of the government. I imagine if such a startup would work it would have lots of popular support. Uber for Bureaucracy.

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