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If you're running a company, please make it a priority to start real, meaningful sexual harassment training right now. Good god.
Reading these comments makes me really depressed for the future of our society. Let me get this straight - 1. Don't go out with co-workers. 2. Don't make friends with co-workers. 3. Def. never drink with co-workers. Have we really become this sensitive? There's a voice in me that's screaming 'fuck off' to this kind of attitude. I can't quite articulate why it infuriates me so much.
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>Had the woman been hired she would have been denied by him the satisfaction of knowing she earned the position through her hard work, intelligence, and capabilities. Meh. People get hired for bad, or unfair reasons all the time. Nobody cares about that. If that wasn't the case referrals and affirmative action wouldn't be allowed. The reality is that reasons for getting hired aren't as important as being competent in…
Sure nobody denies hiring happens for unfair reasons all the time. That does not mean its not an ideal to hope for. I would expect more from authoritative figures who have already found success in our industry and looking to assist the next generation. Is it so much to ask that a venture capitalist who is looking for the best and brightest to propel our industry to hire you know... the best and brightest? She should…
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> It is mutually beneficial, but you're probably looking at a 30:1 (or higher) benefit ratio here, in his favor. Sorry that's wrong. What you're saying is she's overpaid by a factor of 30. Kind of insulting to her no?
I believe you have misread the comment. If there is a 30:1 benefit ratio in his favor, i.e., against her favor, she is underpaid by a factor of 30.
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>Unless the feelings are mutual That's the whole point of asking someone out -- to find out whether the feelings are mutual.
Yes, that's part of my point - that's why it's called /asking/, a world where people are not free to ask - I can only imagine would result in a world where people take, and that - I think we've all whitnessed at times.
This story is not about couple where two people were fond of each other and started relationship. This is about sending text messages out of cold to women he barely know, who never shown interest and you have power to hire or not. That has nothing to do with love.
Is it just me, or is committing public seppuku like this really necessary? If what he did was illegal, he should face prosecution. If he's compelled to apologize and admit his guilt, he should reach out to the people he actually wronged. This kind of public self-flagellation ("I'm such a creep. Please forgive me, world.") feels really over the top, phony, and symbolic.
> It's a qualified apology. I dislike how he not-so-subtly tries to justify his actions by painting a context that delegitimizes Sarah's claims. What claims were "deligitimized" and how did he do it? As for everything else you wrote I'll just say it must be awful living with such a misanthropic view but, hey, you do you.
Other posters agree with my read on his apology. While apologizing, McClure is also simultaneously trying to water down Sarah's presentation of the story; that the situation was more/less social in nature... specifically he says stuff like: ... years ago over drinks, late one night in a small group ... ... for my inappropriate behavior in a setting I thought was social, but in hindsight was clearly not ... I mean, su…
So... he's not lying?
> That doesn't make it okay to proposition an attendee you talked to about an open job position afterwards over FACEBOOK and bring up said job as part of your come-on. I mean this is literally the textbook definition of sexual harassment.
Everyone knows that, including the one who did it (at least, now he does).
> McClure of course doesn't bring up this level of detail about all the other instances where he sexually harassed women, probably because those instances were in even more formal settings and make him look like an even bigger creep.
As evidenced by him calling himself a creep and that being the title of his post.
> What is truly misanthropic are apologists like yourself who give guys like this a pass
Did I give him a pass? No.
Did I say that what he did wasn't horrible? No.
Isn't it misanthropic to immediately assume those things about me when I hadn't given you even the slightest suggestion on what I thought of his behavior before this very reply, where I'm condemning it? Yes, it is misanthropic. You just want to think the worst of everyone, and It. Is. Awful.
> what a good guy he is; and did you know that funded some LGBT initiative!
You know? If I were like you, I could easily point out how this poor phrasing can be construed as homophobic, but I won't resort to that. Please.
> if you're one of them, you should be outraged.
I'm gay, and that I see the failings of the opposing side doesn't mean that I think the harassers aren't appalling.
> Assholes like McClure, and yes he is a total asshole -- that's his whole shtick after all -- poisons the well for us all.
There are many different types of assholes, the ones like McClure aren't the only ones "poisoning the well."
> Apologies, no matter how sincere, don't make up for the years of anxiety, therapy, etc. that stuff like this can cause.
Case in point.
> Other posters agree with my read on his apology.
This was a weird and non-sequitur opener, btw. Were you going for an appeal to popularity or something? For what it's worth, I thoroughly disagree with your read on his apology.
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BTW, none of this answered my question.
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> "It was over drinks and I thought it was social" It is horrifying that world leaders and public figures use this kind of excuse, which is supposed to somehow give a pass, and then we see it trickle down to the man on the street. Really, the public figures should be prosecuted and made an example of, so that is the example for the average man. Anything less is unacceptable.
What's more horrifying, that people are human and make mistakes, or that if you're "important" what would normally be one-off mistakes forgotten and buried become career-defining events thanks to the collective shaming capacity of the internet.
I'm human, and I'm fallible. I will make, or have already made, a bad decision that someone else will be able to hold over me for the rest of my life.
People need to be allowed to make mistakes so they can learn from them. Not be crucified to make an example for others.
Good for him for apologizing. I don't envy his position. It's lonely at the top.