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So if, say, 1,000 men got completely unsolicited propositions, groping, etc. and one man "dated up" at a company with women in high leadership positions, would you argue that those problems are exactly equally important and exactly equally serious and make sure to post comments about how incredibly important it is to ensure some balanced coverage and make sure everyone knows that it's not just solely a one-sided issu…
I'm not trying to say they're equal problems. I'm trying to say that the one problem contributes to the other. In your example, the one man who dated up creates that possibility in the mind of the groper in those other 1,000 incidents. It's like the 1 super lotto winner among the millions who bought tickets. The event doesn't have to be likely for people to think that they might get lucky...people generally suck at e…
Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment
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#782Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except in the cases where it does work astoundingly well to solve issues that would have been labeled cultural before they were improved, like raising literacy rates across all races (achieved by massively increasing investment in education). See https://ourworldindata.org/literacy/#historical-perspective for some idea how well that worked. A similar situation is AIDS prevention via safe sex education. If a cultural…
This is a very sincere question: Where in your link does it show that literacy rose due to throwing money at the problem? I am failing to find that assertion on the page you linke and that isn't my understanding at all of growing global trends in literacy, which are rooted in much more complex trends away from subsistence cultures and agriculturally based incomes. Furthermore, reading is a skill that is vastly differ…
(links to https://ourworldindata.org/financing-education#historical-pe...)
I don't know if that is proof of the statement or anything, but I don't think it's a particularly controversial claim to say that universal education impacts literacy.
As for the challenges women face as they try to enter industry, those are well established and real, for sure. They need to be fought viciously, and we are correct to spend a lot of time and money on those problems. I'd never deny that, it's extremely important to do that work and fight that fight, as this entire article and discussion proves.
But pre-industry, only 18% of CS majors are women, so the educational system has to be fixed as well, that's way too big of an early gap to hope it will magically close once the industry gets it's shit together. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/data-mine/a... has a good rundown of where the most valuable opportunities are (middle school is a big one) and how they should be addressed - it's not just about access, it's also about making sure that it's provided in a way that engages and targets young girls specifically, and making sure that more women are teaching these classes. Schools are a valuable point of leverage where you can affect preconceived notions about gender roles and career opportunities, and any effective program needs to break down those barriers. That requires a lot of curriculum design (the easy part) and retraining (the hard).
While you're right that plenty of women code, men outnumber them by 4:1 before they even face the challenges of industry. We need to throw everything we can at that, from every angle, and at every step in the pipeline, until we're much closer to 50/50. Educational interventions are straightforward and proven to work with fairly low cost at the early stages, so I can't imagine why we'd want to rule them out as being part of the solution. They're also massively helpful when addressing the racial imbalances, which are arguably even more vulnerable to asymmetric early exposure than the gender imbalance is (though that's a much bigger subject worthy of its own discussion).
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#783For everyone who is wondering why these people act the way they do, the answer is that their actions work some of the time . Otherwise, why would they do it if they continually strike out? What one person might see as harassment, another might see as an exciting "chase". I've known women who have had guys be very aggressive (it's a fine line) and they were quite taken by it. This of course is not excusing the behavio…
> For everyone who is wondering why these people act the way they do, the answer is that their actions work some of the time. Otherwise, why would they do it if they continually strike out? Eehhhh... I don't buy that. I think some guys just literally have no real idea to create romantic relationships. The best they can come up with is trying to leverage their financial power with shitty pick-up lines.
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This is a very sincere question: Where in your link does it show that literacy rose due to throwing money at the problem? I am failing to find that assertion on the page you linke and that isn't my understanding at all of growing global trends in literacy, which are rooted in much more complex trends away from subsistence cultures and agriculturally based incomes. Furthermore, reading is a skill that is vastly differ…
> And the rate of growth really climbed after the middle of the 20th century, when the expansion of basic education became a global priority. You can read more about the expansion of education systems around the world in our entry on Financing Education. (links to https://ourworldindata.org/financing-education#historical-pe... ) I don't know if that is proof of the statement or anything, but I don't think it's a part…
it's extremely important to ... fight that fight,
"Going to war to preserve the peace is like fucking to preserve virginity."
Business connections don't happen by being aggressive, ugly and fighty. They are based on hard won trust. In a nutshell, the problem women face is that when men trust them and like them, their first, middle, last and only thought is often "I'd hit that!"
I'm having my own horrendous crisis today and not really up to trying to do this dance with you. I don't believe that rising literacy rates globally has anything at all to do with "throwing money at the problem." I don't think you and I are likely to reach any kind of agreement and, given my state of mind today, continuing this discussion with you is unlikely to go anyplace good at all.
Adieu.
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Sure, I'm not saying you should 100% believe everything you hear. Just that dismissing such things outright based on a lack of personal experience is also not the right way.
Dismissing would be wrong. Absolutely! The poster above me said (and emphasized) that when there's constant murmurs, you should _believe it_ . Very wrong. Keep an open mind, but don't "believe" it outright just yet.
(I guess it's a cultural thing from their two-party system or something)
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> I expect less VCs to take meetings with women, sadly. Why? There's a really simple procedure that can solve these problems: Don't hit on, feel-up, or try to have sex with people you're in a professional business relationship with . That goes double for people you hold power over (managers to employees, VCs to Founders, etc). If you're really truly worried about false accusations then here's another fix you can have…
> I expect less VCs to take meetings with women, sadly. Why? There's a really simple procedure that can solve these problems: Don't hit on, feel-up, or try to have sex with people you're in a professional business relationship with. That goes double for people you hold power over (managers to employees, VCs to Founders, etc). If you're really truly worried about false accusations then here's another fix you can have…
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> For everyone who is wondering why these people act the way they do, the answer is that their actions work some of the time. Otherwise, why would they do it if they continually strike out? Eehhhh... I don't buy that. I think some guys just literally have no real idea to create romantic relationships. The best they can come up with is trying to leverage their financial power with shitty pick-up lines.
You could not be more wrong. This absolutely works for some people, and both participants enjoy it.
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Sales at my company is female dominated, I'm in building next door so I run into them all the time, I just treat them as any other member of staff, politely but otherwise as an amorphous blob. I don't socialise with work mates outside of work events either, lines get crossed when you do in a alcohol orientated culture like mine. It's worked fine for me for 19 years employed. Had one female former colleague assume I w…
Great list. Its interesting how good ideas for how to conduct yourself in a business environment will naturally exclude creepy and/or harassing behavior AND will also leave far less room and opportunity for false accusations to take root. Its not foolproof by any stretch, but it's excellent risk management on multiple fronts.
It's really not that difficult to maintain a professional attitude, it's a skill like any other it's just the modern workplace isn't always conducive to it, frankly I'd prefer a more formal workplace than informal all things been equal.
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It would be a good start if he came to this realization on his own, instead of right after being contacted by the New York Times going "Hey, we're going to publish a story about your sexual harassment, do you want to dispute this account".
People make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes go back years, and sometimes a sudden traumatic event can snap someone out of the patterns of behavior they fell into. The point is that it's probably a mistake to treat him the same way you'd treat certain kinds of felons. Part of that is to give him an opportunity to contribute in a positive way to the world, like everyone else. If he's genuine, then isn't there some w…
You could really make the same point for most felons, if you got to know them.
Crazy thing is, because I don't believe in punishment but prefer rehabilitation, I actually think that most felons deserve it more.
Remember that the USA is the land of the 98% free.
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Simple question: do you commit sexual harassment? If no, this is not about you. The existence of this conversation is not aimed at you.
Simple counter-question: How do you define "sexual harassment"? Because that's the actual issue these days. Behavior that used to be "normal" and lead to people getting to know each other is considered "harassment" these days. Yesterday I read an article about Tinder in the German Cosmopolitan: http://www.cosmopolitan.de/dating-app-tinder-tinder-im-test-... One of it's points being that a big draw for many women is h…
As to how to meet women (take this advise with a mountain of salt, was never a ladies man, have been married for 20 years and never cheated, so haven't flirted in 20 years :), play the odds; join groups that do stuff that interest you, get in a position to meet women, and meet them as people first, make friends and then relationships might develop; (and if not, you have more friends, and had fun doing whatever you were doing). That is, don't go to meetups (or pokemon tournaments, or the church choir, or ...) to hook up, go there because you want to be there, and, chances are, if you meet enough women you will find your match.