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iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by canuckintime »

bennyg wrote: post #55
notadoc wrote: post #44

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Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

3D touch on the keyboard to move the cursor around makes up for every grievance I ever had about it to begin with.

That's correlation not causation; the iPads don't have 3D touch but still have cursor control in the default keyboard.

Indeed Apple tying 3D touch to cursor control on the iPhones makes me resent it more because they then removed the feature from the iPhones without 3D Touch.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by notadoc »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #65
notadoc wrote: post #39

But it's still an iPad. Touch screens are just slower, less accurate, and more cumbersome than a cursor and a good hardware keyboard for the vast majority of professional applications and use cases.

Point, but it may end up as an SLR vs. phone cam thing. We know the numbers on that ...

I get what you're saying, but a phone camera is much easier to use than an SLR.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by ChuckMcM »

This is what I expect 'iOS laptop edition' is. As ChromeOS is 'Android laptop edition' and Win10 already is Windows laptop edition.

With the addition of WSL to Win10 it makes it more developer friendly for me. Very much like MacOS always has been, drop into terminal and blam, there is all of UNIX.

And all of it makes Canonical's "one Ubuntu across three platforms" pitch seem pretty prophetic.

Very fun to watch excellent designers try these things out in the market.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

rhencke wrote: post #59
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #47

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Ah, youngsters. It used to be the case that Cmd-E ejected, but you rarely wanted just to eject (i.e. just remove the disk from the Mac), usually you wanted to Put Away, and that was Cmd-Y. I miss System 7.

Nostalgia's a funny thing though. Remember the 'bomb' dialog box with the reset button that didn't always work? Cooperative multitasking allowing apps to lock the computer? ...I miss it, too.

Very much. Having Tetris and MacWrite Pro open simultaneously would cause a bomb, every time. It genuinely did wonders for my productivity.

I remember System 7.1 most for its purity of interface. Everything from 7.5 onwards seemed to be bolting on more bells and whistles in a faintly uncoordinated fashion, and OS X has continued that. 7.0/7.1 were simple, efficient and fast. Much of the featuritis in the last 25 years has been good, of course, but I would still kill to have the old Spatial Finder back.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by supercoder »

clw8 wrote: post #73

Until I hear that Xcode for iPad Pro is in the works I'll be holding onto my first gen Air. Otherwise there's no point spending a grand when my $200 touchscreen convertible Chromebook does all the tablety things I need and runs Linux beautifully.

I don't think Chromebook runs Xcode either

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by canuckintime »

simonh wrote: post #5
sirmike_ wrote: post #2

Just an observation but at this pace which will happen quicker to market -- mouse integration on iOS or Windows 10 ARM? And of those two which has a bigger impact?

Mouse integration on the iPad would be a disastrous blunder. It just wouldn't fit with any aspect of the interaction model and would represent a dire loss of the plot on Apple's part. So I think that would have the greater impact.

I'd argue that the iPad Keyboard Cover already represents a loss of the plot. Gorilla arm fatigue is real. Either Apple go whole hog and provide a trackpad in that keyboard cover (not necessarily enabling a mouse cursor mind you [1]) or Apple should sufficiently innovate their software keyboard so we don't need a keyboard cover to begin with.

[1] https://twitter.com/DaveChap/status/869192781960499200

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by tambourine_man »

If Adobe releases its Creative Suite and Apple decides the iPad is big enough to run Xcode, the Mac is in trouble.

And I think that's fine, even being a die hard Mac user with 30 years of usage under my belt.

The hardware is simply amazing and the software is finally coming of age.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by canuckintime »

hungerstrike wrote: post #70
bennyg wrote: post #55

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3D touch on the keyboard to move the cursor around makes up for every grievance I ever had about it to begin with.

I'd much rather have arrow keys to move the cursor around. They're always in the same spot and you only need one finger to use them. Unfortunately, if you replace the keyboard on iOS you lose the quick dictation key because Apple doesn't let the third party keyboard initiate dictation. Speaking of dictation, Windows is finally going to bring a dictation key to their virtual keyboard this fall so I'll probably switch…

Apple put left and right arrow keys in the landscape mode of their default keyboard for iPhone+ models ― which you probably haven't heard off because it truly is as awful as that sounds. Yet another bullet point that Apple's UX design quality has taken a dive the past few years

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by pvinis »

tambourine_man wrote: post #87

If Adobe releases its Creative Suite and Apple decides the iPad is big enough to run Xcode, the Mac is in trouble. And I think that's fine, even being a die hard Mac user with 30 years of usage under my belt. The hardware is simply amazing and the software is finally coming of age.

I don't know about Adobe stuff, but Xcode on the iPad is not so simple. First, the iPad has to be powerful enough to do fast compilations etc. But even if we give it that, it is a looooong way from being used as a computer. How are you going to use Xcode when you don't have Finder, a terminal with a compiler? I don't know if I would like to use an iPad for that anyway, even if all the currently existing problems were not there.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by canuckintime »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #56
dgfgfdagasdfgfa wrote: post #43

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The current app-switching tech in iOS 10 is mostly unusable for multitasking because they animate it into some kind of bullshit coverflow control that looks pretty but is slow and has every app you've ever started on the ipad to page through. Is it any snappier/easier to use now? Can you do the whole 'I'll just switch over to the other app to copy something and switch back' in a second or two yet? Even the weird 'you…

4 finger swipe left/right is the best option on iOS 10 imo - it's about as good as the 3d touch swipe on iPhone.

3D touch swipe for switching apps is removed in iOS11
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