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iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by bkdbkd »

read the article. not much there. very fluffy. as usual apple made old work flows different. as usual, people will be confused at first. as usual, not much to write home about.

"Before IOS 11 we arbitrarily limited the apps in your dock to 6. Today we will allow up to 8!" . They've been dripping out features, that they could have delivered in 2010 but for reasons like Courage chose to hold back.

The article doesn't support the headline. Unless that also means 'Your ipad will still be the same old iPad, but you will find it more awkward to use"

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by _ph_ »

mi100hael wrote: post #23
tlrobinson wrote: post #11

There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?

That writing has been on the wall since the iOS style application "launcher" was added to OS X.

They are certainly experimenting with which features might make sense on the "other" OS. But until your post, I had almost forgotten that the launcher still exists on macOS. Likewise, Dashboard still exists, but does not get much attention any more. But even with the new iOS giving more "desktop" powers to the iPad, Apple still seems to aim for a UI model quite different to macOS. So this seems to be intended.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by blowski »

dgfgfdagasdfgfa wrote: post #43
blowski wrote: post #24

I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I…

The current app-switching tech in iOS 10 is mostly unusable for multitasking because they animate it into some kind of bullshit coverflow control that looks pretty but is slow and has every app you've ever started on the ipad to page through. Is it any snappier/easier to use now? Can you do the whole 'I'll just switch over to the other app to copy something and switch back' in a second or two yet? Even the weird 'you…

It's hard to say, as the apps have to support it, and not many of them do yet. But the Dock felt like a really intrusive gimmick - it looks like macOS, but doesn't work like it at all.

I agree that the current 'slide in from the right and find the app you want' method to be hard work. But the new one is trying to shoehorn the desktop experience into a tablet, and it fails miserably from what I've seen so far.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

tlrobinson wrote: post #11

There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?

Why? I am pretty sure Apple basically keeps saying they see the two as separate.

With the iPad pro and the iOS 11 features, they aren't unifying so much as creating another usage category to appeal to more people.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by bennyg »

notadoc wrote: post #44
wildmusings wrote: post #6

It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.

Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

3D touch on the keyboard to move the cursor around makes up for every grievance I ever had about it to begin with.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

dgfgfdagasdfgfa wrote: post #43
blowski wrote: post #24

I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I…

The current app-switching tech in iOS 10 is mostly unusable for multitasking because they animate it into some kind of bullshit coverflow control that looks pretty but is slow and has every app you've ever started on the ipad to page through. Is it any snappier/easier to use now? Can you do the whole 'I'll just switch over to the other app to copy something and switch back' in a second or two yet? Even the weird 'you…

4 finger swipe left/right is the best option on iOS 10 imo - it's about as good as the 3d touch swipe on iPhone.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by SomeStupidPoint »

hendersoon wrote: post #13
sirmike_ wrote: post #2

Just an observation but at this pace which will happen quicker to market -- mouse integration on iOS or Windows 10 ARM? And of those two which has a bigger impact?

Win10 on ARM devices are already announced for Q4 this year, assuming Intel doesn't sue Microsoft and get a stay on the Win10 x86 translation layer. Pretty easy to conceive of scenarios where these devices would have real impact, if the translation is fast enough. Imagine a $300 10" windows laptop with a 10 hour battery life and roughly ivy bridge i3 level performance. In comparison, Apple hasn't even hinted they'd a…

For what it's worth: you can get a $100-200 10" Windows 10 laptop (well, 2-in-1 tablet) with an Atom. (Battery life as a laptop is closer to 3 than 10, at least for me.)

MS has already hit that price point/form factor, and is working on making it more efficient/performant.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by notadoc »

bennyg wrote: post #55
notadoc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

3D touch on the keyboard to move the cursor around makes up for every grievance I ever had about it to begin with.

I like that too, but how many users know about that? 0.5%? Is it obvious and intuitive?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by rhencke »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #47
evv wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of hidden features.. you can just use Cmd-e to eject a disk in finder.

Ah, youngsters. It used to be the case that Cmd-E ejected, but you rarely wanted just to eject (i.e. just remove the disk from the Mac), usually you wanted to Put Away, and that was Cmd-Y. I miss System 7.

Nostalgia's a funny thing though. Remember the 'bomb' dialog box with the reset button that didn't always work? Cooperative multitasking allowing apps to lock the computer?

...I miss it, too.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by criddell »

tlrobinson wrote: post #11

There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?

I hope not. It would mean either making iOS more macOS-like or simplifying macOS to be more iOS-like. I wouldn't like to see either happen.

Nobody thinks watchOS should be like macOS, right?

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