There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?
If that meant total lock-down of MacOS, I'd be gone. I've been kind of waiting for this and maintaining an "escape plan."
iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
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#42meh. not much, handing back features they could have delivered in 2010. A great bit of positive fluff imho
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#43I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I…
The current app-switching tech in iOS 10 is mostly unusable for multitasking because they animate it into some kind of bullshit coverflow control that looks pretty but is slow and has every app you've ever started on the ipad to page through. Is it any snappier/easier to use now? Can you do the whole 'I'll just switch over to the other app to copy something and switch back' in a second or two yet? Even the weird 'you can use this app on the side' multitasking tech they've had for a while has been slow as hell and doesn't solve the copy/paste problem.
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#44It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.
Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way?
iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the lock screens which are outright bizarre. They feel very much like they were built for designers, not for end users.
Come to think of it, a lot of what Apple does today feels like it was built for their own designers and not for users. Removing critical ports, 3D Touch, endless dongles, confusing UI and UX, the Touch Bar, awful low travel keyboards, etc etc
Apple used to pride itself in everything being obvious and everything just working as you would expect it to. Perhaps the biggest change in Apple post-Jobs is how that is missing.
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#45I think I'm going to sell my existing 9.7" to get the new 10.5" to get a bit more space to work with on this new version of iOS.
I can't wait until I can really use iOS the way I use my mac. Which at this point really is based on either mobileOrg getting better or some app coming out where I can easily manage a rich personal knowledge base/wiki on the iPad.
Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#46I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I…
Must of the previous IOS beta have had similar poor performance. I dont know if some debug mode i running in the background or whats going on, but final version, is always much more performant.
This matches my experiences with the past 6 or so iOS beta releases.
Contrarily the Xcode 9 beta is the most stable and useful Xcode beta I've ever seen.
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You mean the company that has you dragging disks into the trash for about three decades now?
Speaking of hidden features.. you can just use Cmd-e to eject a disk in finder.
Ah, youngsters.
It used to be the case that Cmd-E ejected, but you rarely wanted just to eject (i.e. just remove the disk from the Mac), usually you wanted to Put Away, and that was Cmd-Y.
I miss System 7.
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#48Just an observation but at this pace which will happen quicker to market -- mouse integration on iOS or Windows 10 ARM? And of those two which has a bigger impact?
Wasn't it possible to use USB mice with the iPad 1?
Not without jailbreak tweaks. iOS has never natively supported a mouse cursor.
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Microsoft would disagree, and they have been astonishingly successful with the Surface Pro line. The iOS11 desktop features are a vindication of Microsoft's original Windows 8 vision. Microsoft didn't /execute/ on that vision particularly well in either Win8 or Win10, but the convergence between handheld and desktop does offer some tangible advantages. It isn't all marketing BS.
I have a Windows 10 tablet (well, a "2-in-1" since it came with a keyboard using a Surface-style connector), and it seems to behave reasonably as both a tablet and laptop. It's certainly more integrated than my experience has been with other OSs on tablets: Android doesn't do well as a laptop, nor does iOS; Windows 10 is a desktop operating system, and works reasonably as a tablet. (I don't like Windows 10 for other…
My take is this. Win8 was actually an excellent tablet OS, but compromised, deliberately compromised in many cases, its desktop experience to get there.
In sharp contrast Win10 took the opposite approach-- it is markedly less pleasant to use exclusively with touch, but a great desktop with mouse+keyboard. They didn't /try/ to compromise touch, but they didn't put much effort into it either.
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Must of the previous IOS beta have had similar poor performance. I dont know if some debug mode i running in the background or whats going on, but final version, is always much more performant.
I upgraded to the iOS 10 beta almost immediately as it came out (only on the iPhone) and it felt very polished. There were a few performance issues, but I was able to live with them - this time around it was unusable.
I've updated every one since iOS 5 and it's always been like this in the early releases before the iPhone event.
Though, as always, YMMV.