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iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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You mean the company that has you dragging disks into the trash for about three decades now?

Speaking of hidden features.. you can just use Cmd-e to eject a disk in finder.

That's a keyboard shortcut, though. No way that is a hidden feature.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I…

Must of the previous IOS beta have had similar poor performance. I dont know if some debug mode i running in the background or whats going on, but final version, is always much more performant.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.

Can't completely agree there. Contextual menus by right-click (or ctrl-click) have been core since OS X came out in 2000. (I would distinguish between "core" meaning extremely useful and effective, as opposed to "essential" meaning the only possible way to accomplish a task. Right click is still not "essential," just very useful.) And back in the pre OS X days, tons of functionality was "hidden" with the option key.…

Contextual menus were in Classic Mac OS since at least OS 8.0. If memory serves, there were also extensions (who remembers those?!) which provided them prior to 8.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?

That writing has been on the wall since the iOS style application "launcher" was added to OS X.

That launcher may be indication Apple was thinking that way, but look at their latest U-turns on pro hardware and reinforcing their commitment to laptop/desktop. I don't believe they're going that way anymore.

Also. Did you ever see anyone using that launcher as primary interaction?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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the part of being able to measure items "AR" style is going to be amazing for businesses, both in direct in the home work and allowing customers to do their own measurements and such

Not very accurate though. You can see about half a cm difference in 40 cms (compared to a tape measure beside it.)

Unless you're doing something either destructive or hard to reverse ARKit will be plenty accurate for things like knowing if a piece of furniture will fit through a door or something will hang on a wall.

It'll also help make the ("it's a 55.5inch TV" + "No, it's clearly just a 30 inch one") argument much easier to settle.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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The only really important question is whether it does anything better than other tablet operating systems. For the iPad, that's what really matters - becoming the best tablet OS it can be. Anything else would be a distraction.

Microsoft would disagree, and they have been astonishingly successful with the Surface Pro line. The iOS11 desktop features are a vindication of Microsoft's original Windows 8 vision. Microsoft didn't /execute/ on that vision particularly well in either Win8 or Win10, but the convergence between handheld and desktop does offer some tangible advantages. It isn't all marketing BS.

I have a Windows 10 tablet (well, a "2-in-1" since it came with a keyboard using a Surface-style connector), and it seems to behave reasonably as both a tablet and laptop.

It's certainly more integrated than my experience has been with other OSs on tablets: Android doesn't do well as a laptop, nor does iOS; Windows 10 is a desktop operating system, and works reasonably as a tablet. (I don't like Windows 10 for other reasons that have nothing do with mode switching.)

I'm curious why you think Windows 10 didn't execute well on the idea.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I…

Must of the previous IOS beta have had similar poor performance. I dont know if some debug mode i running in the background or whats going on, but final version, is always much more performant.

I upgraded to the iOS 10 beta almost immediately as it came out (only on the iPhone) and it felt very polished. There were a few performance issues, but I was able to live with them - this time around it was unusable.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?

I don't think that is coming. The fact that it took so many years to add some "desktop os" features to iOS shows, that they try to keep those branches separate from the UI model. From the underlying OS technologies, they are very close together. E.g. APFS, while introduced on iOS is coming to macOS with High Sierra.

So for the next years, I would expect iOS and macOS to share, what makes sense, but keep the UI separate, where it matters (touch/pen vs mouse/keyboard).

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't completely agree there. Contextual menus by right-click (or ctrl-click) have been core since OS X came out in 2000. (I would distinguish between "core" meaning extremely useful and effective, as opposed to "essential" meaning the only possible way to accomplish a task. Right click is still not "essential," just very useful.) And back in the pre OS X days, tons of functionality was "hidden" with the option key.…

Contextual menus were in Classic Mac OS since at least OS 8.0. If memory serves, there were also extensions (who remembers those?!) which provided them prior to 8.

It's funny, I only ran Mac OS 9 for a few months while I waited for OS X, so I couldn't even remember if Class Mac OS utilized them!

I also tried to search for how much NextStep used right-click contextual menus, but that's also something that's pretty difficult to find.

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