There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?
iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#12Just an observation but at this pace which will happen quicker to market -- mouse integration on iOS or Windows 10 ARM? And of those two which has a bigger impact?
> quicker to market
I'd say Windows 10 on ARM. [0]
Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#13Just an observation but at this pace which will happen quicker to market -- mouse integration on iOS or Windows 10 ARM? And of those two which has a bigger impact?
Win10 on ARM devices are already announced for Q4 this year, assuming Intel doesn't sue Microsoft and get a stay on the Win10 x86 translation layer.
Pretty easy to conceive of scenarios where these devices would have real impact, if the translation is fast enough. Imagine a $300 10" windows laptop with a 10 hour battery life and roughly ivy bridge i3 level performance.
In comparison, Apple hasn't even hinted they'd allow mouse input on iOS. If you need that level of precision, they want you to use their stylus.
Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#14It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.
You mean the company that has you dragging disks into the trash for about three decades now?
Speaking of hidden features.. you can just use Cmd-e to eject a disk in finder.
Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#15It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.
Can't completely agree there. Contextual menus by right-click (or ctrl-click) have been core since OS X came out in 2000. (I would distinguish between "core" meaning extremely useful and effective, as opposed to "essential" meaning the only possible way to accomplish a task. Right click is still not "essential," just very useful.)
And back in the pre OS X days, tons of functionality was "hidden" with the option key. Things like saving the printer profile default were done by holding down option when clicking on the OK button. Again, not "essential" functionality, but very useful and known by those who had been using the system for years.
I think this type of hidden, but not essential to use, functionality goes waaaaay back in the DNA of Mac.
Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#16I didn't read the whole thing. Does it do anything better than other operating systems, or just bring desktop features to the iPad? I'm not saying bringing desktop features to a tablet is a problem, just curious.
The only really important question is whether it does anything better than other tablet operating systems. For the iPad, that's what really matters - becoming the best tablet OS it can be. Anything else would be a distraction.
Fair enough, and props if it beats Windows, who have been trying to get here for years.
Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#17I didn't read the whole thing. Does it do anything better than other operating systems, or just bring desktop features to the iPad? I'm not saying bringing desktop features to a tablet is a problem, just curious.
The only really important question is whether it does anything better than other tablet operating systems. For the iPad, that's what really matters - becoming the best tablet OS it can be. Anything else would be a distraction.
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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#18I didn't read the whole thing. Does it do anything better than other operating systems, or just bring desktop features to the iPad? I'm not saying bringing desktop features to a tablet is a problem, just curious.
The only really important question is whether it does anything better than other tablet operating systems. For the iPad, that's what really matters - becoming the best tablet OS it can be. Anything else would be a distraction.
Microsoft would disagree, and they have been astonishingly successful with the Surface Pro line.
The iOS11 desktop features are a vindication of Microsoft's original Windows 8 vision. Microsoft didn't /execute/ on that vision particularly well in either Win8 or Win10, but the convergence between handheld and desktop does offer some tangible advantages. It isn't all marketing BS.
Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#19Just an observation but at this pace which will happen quicker to market -- mouse integration on iOS or Windows 10 ARM? And of those two which has a bigger impact?
Windows 10 ARM would certainly happen quicker, not sure that mouse on iOS will ever happen. As far as impact - x86 emulation on ARM, if good enough, can significantly undercut Intel, which may end x86 dominance on the desktop eventually.
Intel is already going to be facing tough competition from AMD's Zen architecture too. AMD actually also make powerful ARM chips for servers, so I wonder if they might seize the chance for another angle of attack if it makes sense for them.
Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine
#20the part of being able to measure items "AR" style is going to be amazing for businesses, both in direct in the home work and allowing customers to do their own measurements and such
Not very accurate though.
You can see about half a cm difference in 40 cms (compared to a tape measure beside it.)