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iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?

I hope so. I feel like this has been Apple's end game for quite while but they have been squeezing out the profit from the movement towards that in the interim. I mean, the new Macbook ribbon thing, what a piece of crap compared to the innovation of a Surface Pro.

But if you can give me a Macbook's power with a touchscreen and detachable keyboard - "Here, take my money!" :)

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Just an observation but at this pace which will happen quicker to market -- mouse integration on iOS or Windows 10 ARM? And of those two which has a bigger impact?

Windows 10 ARM would certainly happen quicker, not sure that mouse on iOS will ever happen. As far as impact - x86 emulation on ARM, if good enough, can significantly undercut Intel, which may end x86 dominance on the desktop eventually.

Not necessarily. Intel could easily walk away from some of its margin. Even the latest Qualcomm SoCs aren't particularly fast compared to modern intel CPUs, so intel would still maintain its high-end.

That doesn't mean ARM is inherently slow. Apple's SoCs are much faster on single threaded tasks than Qualcomm and Samsung's, easily approaching modern intel CPUs.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use.

The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I still use but haven't been updated in years broke because they're not 64 bit. And it was very slow. Even native apps like Settings and Notes were just hanging for seconds at a time.

The hardest bit is the sheer number of different ways of doing things. "You're in landscape mode, so if you slide down from the top and then slide left in the resulting screen you can see the last notification that popped up a second ago."

I did like the new keyboard, where I could just swipe down to get a capital letter or special character. And the control screen was good, as I could enable "Battery Saver Mode" and the "Personal Hotpoint" more quickly.

But I'll need to see a lot more polish to the Dock before re-upgrading.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Just an observation but at this pace which will happen quicker to market -- mouse integration on iOS or Windows 10 ARM? And of those two which has a bigger impact?

Mouse integration on the iPad would be a disastrous blunder. It just wouldn't fit with any aspect of the interaction model and would represent a dire loss of the plot on Apple's part. So I think that would have the greater impact.

I don't know why it would be a blunder. On a jailbroken iPad it's a god send to be able to have a tablet with a mouse and keyboard with a battery that lasts forever. Touching the screen gets "gorilla arm" fast and also makes it dirty. Could also lead to tablet cases with built in track pads. But I can see the "this doesn't apply to me so it's dumb" narrative that seems to circle around Apple opinions so much.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I…

Does the dock hide itself, or will it permanently eat the bottom inch of my ipad?

edit: I got blocked for writing thank you in response, so I'll write it here instead. Thank you for taking the time to answer me.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.

You mean the company that has you dragging disks into the trash for about three decades now?

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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?

I don't see why/how – they are _completely_ different UI interaction models. Superficially it looks similar, but the one thing that really set iOS apart, was to build UI concepts that targeted finger interaction first (UINavigationController and UITableView are stroke of genius).

Everything from how big the area for a tap is, to how to work with highlights, how dragging work, how things are aligned, what deliberate limitation etc, are different between macOS and iOS.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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I tried iOS 11 on the latest version of the iPad Pro 9.7" and iPhone 6S. I've actually downgraded back to iOS 10 because the beta was still too buggy for day-to-day use. The existing 'multi-tasking' on the iPad Pro is fiddly, and this was no easier. Apps were locking themselves to the Dock and I couldn't work out how to remove them. Switching between apps was far from "Cmd + Tab" of the desktop. A lot of apps that I…

Does the dock hide itself, or will it permanently eat the bottom inch of my ipad? edit: I got blocked for writing thank you in response, so I'll write it here instead. Thank you for taking the time to answer me.

It hides itself. It's supposed to slide up intelligently, but sometimes it doesn't, so you have to go back to the home screen.
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