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iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by CamperBob2 »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #56
dgfgfdagasdfgfa wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current app-switching tech in iOS 10 is mostly unusable for multitasking because they animate it into some kind of bullshit coverflow control that looks pretty but is slow and has every app you've ever started on the ipad to page through. Is it any snappier/easier to use now? Can you do the whole 'I'll just switch over to the other app to copy something and switch back' in a second or two yet? Even the weird 'you…

4 finger swipe left/right is the best option on iOS 10 imo - it's about as good as the 3d touch swipe on iPhone.

And this is discoverable how?

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by dceddia »

epistasis wrote: post #15
wildmusings wrote: post #6

It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.

Can't completely agree there. Contextual menus by right-click (or ctrl-click) have been core since OS X came out in 2000. (I would distinguish between "core" meaning extremely useful and effective, as opposed to "essential" meaning the only possible way to accomplish a task. Right click is still not "essential," just very useful.) And back in the pre OS X days, tons of functionality was "hidden" with the option key.…

Lots of magical things are still hidden behind modifier keys.

Option-click the wifi icon: special diagnostics info

Option-click the bluetooth icon: diagnostics info

Shift-Option-click the bluetooth icon: debug menu

Hold option while resizing a window: resize from both sides at once (see gif: https://twitter.com/dceddia/status/859518600931143680)

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by CamperBob2 »

mi100hael wrote: post #23
tlrobinson wrote: post #11

There's a long ways to go, but I wonder if we're headed for an eventual unification of iOS and macOS?

That writing has been on the wall since the iOS style application "launcher" was added to OS X.

They more-or-less tore down the wall when they renamed the company from "Apple Computer" to just plain "Apple."

I'll be surprised if they're still selling Macs in 5-7 more years.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by kartan »

I'm planning to buy a Microsoft Surface Pro because Android and iOS tablets have very limited Operating Systems. So I think that some of this changes go in the right direction, for tablets at least.

On long trips, to Japan or the USA, I usually travel with an iPad and a Macbook (1 or 2 phones, 2 digital cameras). It has worked well. Next time I'm trying to get around with just one device that allows me to move around the city with all the information I need, and that I can use to do some more advanced stuff when I get to the hotel (Classify pictures and videos, edit and process them, upload them to Google Pictures/Facebook/...). Let's see how that goes.

I understand that Apple doesn't want to scare current customers offering something that they don't need/want. But I need it now. :)

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

notadoc wrote: post #39

But it's still an iPad. Touch screens are just slower, less accurate, and more cumbersome than a cursor and a good hardware keyboard for the vast majority of professional applications and use cases.

Point, but it may end up as an SLR vs. phone cam thing.

We know the numbers on that ...

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by bkdbkd »

csours wrote: post #4

I didn't read the whole thing. Does it do anything better than other operating systems, or just bring desktop features to the iPad? I'm not saying bringing desktop features to a tablet is a problem, just curious.

Just for fun I'll summarize 1. tweaked notification layout. confusing 2. tweaked messages app. ugly 3. tweaked siri voice 4. can play gifs (not kidding.. 2017 that's a feature) 5. on a different newer device, new codecs 6. indoor maps, in apple maps 7. no airplay2 yet. 8. tweaked App store layout (for the record, new website design is not a feature. A new _store_ website design is even less than that) 9. All your SMS's are automatically copied to Apple computers for surveillance or safe keeping, one or the other 10. The phone will now be able to delete apps for you without your permissions. Purge. 11. Your phone will prompt you to share your Wifi password when another iPhone tries to access your WiFi network.

I wish I made all of those up. But after reviewing, and evaluating, that's the list of cool features. Sigh.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

notadoc wrote: post #58
bennyg wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3D touch on the keyboard to move the cursor around makes up for every grievance I ever had about it to begin with.

I like that too, but how many users know about that? 0.5%? Is it obvious and intuitive?

How many computer users can operate a command line interface? It's not obvious or intuitive but obviously very powerful.

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

notadoc wrote: post #44
wildmusings wrote: post #6

It seems like so much core functionality is hidden behind gestures and 3D-touch. What a change for the company that shunned even the right click for many years because it hid functionality.

Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

The new lock screen makes a lot of sense on the newer iPhones. They have raise to wake, and the newer touch ID sensors are so fast that you can't press the home button without unlocking it immediately.

If you want to see your notifications, just pick up the phone and swipe down from the top (since the screen will turn on automatically).

Re: iOS 11 turns the iPad into a different machine

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Post by hungerstrike »

bennyg wrote: post #55
notadoc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the smartest and most technically capable people I know are confused by 3D Touch, almost all of whom eventually turned it off. What is it for? Why is it better than an alternative or a long press? How does it make anything better or more intuitive? How is it predictable in any way? iOS has been consistently confusing and less intuitive ever since iOS 7, and iOS 10 and iOS 11 are only more so particularly the loc…

3D touch on the keyboard to move the cursor around makes up for every grievance I ever had about it to begin with.

I'd much rather have arrow keys to move the cursor around. They're always in the same spot and you only need one finger to use them.

Unfortunately, if you replace the keyboard on iOS you lose the quick dictation key because Apple doesn't let the third party keyboard initiate dictation.

Speaking of dictation, Windows is finally going to bring a dictation key to their virtual keyboard this fall so I'll probably switch from iPad to Windows for my tablet needs. I really hate all of the web browsers on iOS and Android.

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