I wonder what the conversion rates on these within-client ads are. I know I've never opened any no matter how well-targeted or 'interesting' the ads were, because the immediate response is to just want to sweep the inbox clean.
Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
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Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
They advertise it as such. From their privacy policy: "Incoming messages are scanned for the purpose of spam detection unless you disable spam protection for your account... To make message searching fast, we build an index of your messages (this is a table, just like you would find at the back of a reference book, in which you can look up a word to quickly find the emails in which it appears). No information from an…
Is it generally possible to reconstruct email(=text) with indicies if they are stolen/hacked ? Although Im not questioning fastmail ability to provide secured email service. Yet I cannot help think why I would rely on a small player for email. I would ask what is the probability of fastmail service getting hacked say compared to gmail. (Somebody has right pointed out that ) Ad relevance to your email is not same as r…
> I cannot help think why would I rely on a small player for email.
If Fastmail were, say, 1% of Google size, it would still be #2, which is a pretty good ranking on any market. And if you don't lose features by switching to the #2, please do it, for the sake of competition – Give freedom a chance.
I'm using Fastmail for my 3-ppl business. We lack no feature, we get used to it, we pay them (cheap), we don't leak our source code to GitHub and other browsing habits or contacts to Google Analytics/G+, it's just good management of the company information. We are the annoying guys who can't click "Connect with Facebook" nor "Connect with G+" and that makes providers keep the login/pw auth. Plus it funds a company so you might still have a choice in 5 years. And we show VCs that writing "privacy" on commercial documents yields customers.
Cost to us? Zero.
Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm really not trying to be pedantic, but that's not what the article says. It says that Google never data-mined business accounts to serve ads, not that they never data-mine business accounts under any circumstances. If that's true, and you can point to marketing or a service agreement that outlines these terms, I'd be happy to know and will gladly buy a paid account. EDIT: I think these are the terms and I don't se…
You'd probably have to be more specific about what you're defining as "mining".
Essentially, scanning the data for anything unrelated to providing the service itself. I know this is a little murky with their suite, but if the data is being used in a way elsewhere (e.g. to train models for other services or collecting data in expectation that it could be useful to a Google app I haven't signed on with), that should be made explicit
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#254I know I shouldn't be surprised, but it seems weird that the reporter nor any of the 140+ comments so far seemingly don't mention the recently published proposal for a new ePrivacy directive in the EU that will make it a lot harder for Google to scan e-mails in the first place. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-privacy-idUSKBN14U1FL https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/10/whatsapp-... http://www.kempli…
That directive might be related to what's happening. But let's not be naive: if Google will stop reading our emails in order to send us personalized ads, that's because it doesn't really need to. People share just enough outside their email environment for Google to do its thing. Another sign of which those worrying about privacy should be aware.
> Ads will continue to appear inside the free version of Gmail, as promoted messages. But instead of scanning a user’s email, the ads will now be targeted with other personal information Google already pulls from sources such as search and YouTube.
Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends. Is that drone providing me with some other useful service, or is it following me around entirely without my knowledge or consent? Gmail provides me with a free email service. They already have the full text of all my emails. If they want to use that data to help decide what ads to serve me, I have no problem with that so long as that data isn't shared with anyone else without my consent.
> data isn't shared with anyone else without my consent Do you have any way of verifying this? I am not accusing google of anything, I just find this to be an interesting level of trust to have with a free online service.
Google's entire business relies on maintaining this user trust. They have far more to lose than to gain by betraying user trust.
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#256Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have one for myself, and one for my wife, and find the $120/year a hefty price to pay for...email. It doesn't even include the registration of my personal domain, and it doesn't include web hosting. Google Apps is pretty nice, and it feels good to be paying for the product instead of being the product - though I am skeptical that my $10/month would let me talk to a human if something went wrong. I'm considering mov…
> I am skeptical that my $10/month would let me talk to a human if something went wrong. I have received exceptional support over the years, including them calling me twice when I reported an issue. My account is worth $5/month and I live in Fiji.
Agreed.
I've had to contact support a few times in the last few months for coworkers email issues. We're a very small company paying $5 per month.
To contact: https://admin.google.com/AdminHome then help button --> Contact support
Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand why seeing an ad is so bad. So a sleazy salesman is more annoying because they are in your way. But if you're going to see ads anyway, I'd rather they be relevant!! Can soemone explain why given that there will be ads either way they actually prefer irrelevant ads?
Relevant ad is euphemism for "ad that makes you buy stuff you would happily not own otherwise". Since ads in general work (they make people buy more or different stuff) and you can not objectively evaluate whether you was influenced by ads, it is rational to avoid them. Practically, once add service knows I am women, it insist on showing me ads for menstruation cups everywhere I browse. I also find juxtaposition of b…
>Relevant ad is euphemism for "ad that makes you buy stuff you would happily not own otherwise". Since ads in general work (they make people buy more or different stuff) and you can not objectively evaluate whether you was influenced by ads, it is rational to avoid them.
Umm - you should avoid getting information because it might influence you to buy things ? There's nothing wrong with what you said, in an ideal world ads would be just that - informing the customer about your product - and influencing their decisions with information. The psychological marketing tricks to make a thing more attractive is also a value add.
Problem is it's easy to be misleading, create disinformation and it can be very profitable - that's what leads to shitty borderline fraudulent ads we have.
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ermmm we used the copper nanotube paint once on an office and, well, it sucked. Bad. Cell phones only worked in this small corner of the office, and wifi was chaotic. Something about signals can't get in, but they also can't get out, so they collide ...
I think the word you're looking for is "reflect."
Yes, thank you. Reflect. It created considerable interference.
Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads
#260I very recently switched to fastmail and couldn't be happier. For $90 a year, I don't have to deal with people snooping and tracking me around for ads. I know google is trying to give me value with all their facial recognition and recommendations, but I don't think it is going to end well. When it does end badly, it will be too late for the user because we would've given up all the data. I don't want Google to build…
Anyone know about a Canadian service (operated & hosted) like FastMail? OVH has a hosted exchange service, but no 2FA is a deal breaker for me.