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Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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I don't understand why there isn't an option for me to pay for Google to remove ads from gmail. I've already paid for Youtube Red and couldn't be happier.

There is. It's called gsuite.

That isn't the same thing.

Outlook.com offers "Premium" which removes ads. If you stop paying you just get the ads back but your account is otherwise unaffected[0].

Gsuite on the other hand removes ads, but if you stop paying then you lose access to your email and additional messages may bounce.

Apples and oranges.

[0] https://w2.outlook.com/l/upsell

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

#223

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I didn't think there were any ads in their business email.

This is referring to whether you see ads for hemorrhoid medication all over the Internets after talking about them in an email.

As the founder and CTO of Blekko search engine, one would imagine that you would be familiar with Google's personalized advertising policies: https://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/answer/143465?hl=en (Found through a quick Google search)

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Depends. Is that drone providing me with some other useful service, or is it following me around entirely without my knowledge or consent? Gmail provides me with a free email service. They already have the full text of all my emails. If they want to use that data to help decide what ads to serve me, I have no problem with that so long as that data isn't shared with anyone else without my consent.

> data isn't shared with anyone else without my consent Do you have any way of verifying this? I am not accusing google of anything, I just find this to be an interesting level of trust to have with a free online service.

Google is a large, generally reputable company which has very little to gain and everything to lose by sharing my personal information with others in violation of their own privacy policy.

In the absence of any evidence that they _are_ sharing my private information with others, I see no reason not to trust them in this regard.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #99

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https://gsuite.google.com/products/gmail/ About $60 a year I have about 8 accounts that I use.

I have one for myself, and one for my wife, and find the $120/year a hefty price to pay for...email. It doesn't even include the registration of my personal domain, and it doesn't include web hosting. Google Apps is pretty nice, and it feels good to be paying for the product instead of being the product - though I am skeptical that my $10/month would let me talk to a human if something went wrong. I'm considering mov…

> I am skeptical that my $10/month would let me talk to a human if something went wrong.

I have received exceptional support over the years, including them calling me twice when I reported an issue. My account is worth $5/month and I live in Fiji.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

#226

I very recently switched to fastmail and couldn't be happier. For $90 a year, I don't have to deal with people snooping and tracking me around for ads. I know google is trying to give me value with all their facial recognition and recommendations, but I don't think it is going to end well. When it does end badly, it will be too late for the user because we would've given up all the data. I don't want Google to build…

We are using fastmail as well, and it is great. They have a solution for every weird mail-problem we tried to solve, i.e. shared inbox folders, shared calendars and integration with "dump" client applications.

For example your username might differ in order to access a shared calendar.

Also you can generate application passwords for an account. So you can create an SMTP-only application password for your fastmail account.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Run a broad-spectrum blocker like uBlock Origin? Access your fastmail from an interface other than their web interface?

Ok so there is more involved than just use Fastmail, as it was suggested. Thanks for confirming.

> many options to pay for email, fastmail just for one

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #72

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It's more like your accountant preparing your tax return for free in exchange for aggregating data about your receipts and offering you goods and services you may be interested in.

Let's split the difference. It's like your accountant preparing your tax return in exchange for using that tax return to develop a model of your spending habits. The value of this model is more than the cost of them doing your tax returns, and in fact is such that if you were simply to collect that data yourself, sell it on the open market, and spend a portion of the proceeds on the tax prep service, you would end up…

...Are you aware it would be quite a worthy idea, offering an accountant in exchange of business data?

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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post #226

I very recently switched to fastmail and couldn't be happier. For $90 a year, I don't have to deal with people snooping and tracking me around for ads. I know google is trying to give me value with all their facial recognition and recommendations, but I don't think it is going to end well. When it does end badly, it will be too late for the user because we would've given up all the data. I don't want Google to build…

We are using fastmail as well, and it is great. They have a solution for every weird mail-problem we tried to solve, i.e. shared inbox folders, shared calendars and integration with "dump" client applications. For example your username might differ in order to access a shared calendar. Also you can generate application passwords for an account. So you can create an SMTP-only application password for your fastmail acc…

Oh. And personally I am using mailbox.org which is also nice but a little bit cheaper. And the feature-set is still great, but limited compared to FastMail. Also the webui in mailbox.org is slower than for fastmail.

Re: Google Will Stop Reading Your Emails for Gmail Ads

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Out of curiosity do you work in advertising tech or marketing? They are about the only people I've ever seen express this view seriously.

Nope - I am a developer working on a consumer oriented application with no advertisements. I'm not trying to say that all ads give you that benefit - most are just a waste of screen space, compute and bandwidth.

Even if I agreed that some ads have benefit, the cost-benefit analysis (with costs including screen space, compute, bandwidth and the malware threat) still looks grim enough to justify adblocking IMO.
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