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Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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I dunno, sounds almost like competition when you put it that way.

Our economy is based on the idea that David can defeat Goliath. Seeing two Goliaths commanding armies of Davids into each other and calling it competition is a pretty strange corruption of that idea.

I don't think that's a very good analogy, but I'll bite. The economy doesn't really need David to have a good shot at defeating Goliath. It does need David and Goliath to compete on the same field, with the same rules, and for Goliath to not do things like corner the market on rocks. Of course, a pure market economy doesn't really have any rules like that, it's just that it can get pretty nasty if we don't have them (not to mention basic rules like 'no using babies as ammunition' and 'you're allowed to have an army, but you have to feed them').

We discovered this during the industrial revolution, and the modern liberal democracy and ideas around fair play, consumer protection, competition as an important mechanism in a market economy, etc. grew out of what we learned.

Unfortunately, for some bizarre reason, we seem to be systematically dismantling most of those protections, despite knowing exactly what's going to happen. (Hint: it rhymes with 'huge, uncontrollable corporate behemoths owning all the means of production, channels of communication, and legislative agendas').

Of course, every generation seems to have its insane economic ideas. My great-grandparents had Communism. We have whatever you call the squirming progeny of identity politics brutally inseminated by Reaganomics.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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This is how you know you've lost. When you are more obsessed with what your competition is doing than worrying about what you're doing.

Would you be willing to host your critical infrastructure on your direct competitors platform? Wouldn't you be worried about them pulling the rug out from under you?

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

That second paragraph I have read in almost the same form about Wal-mart in the past.

I actually thought he wrote "Walmart" at the start. The same paragraph certainly applies to both, funnily enough.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Is this because they actively want to discourage any revenue going Amazon's way from Wal-Mart related business activities, or because they don't trust Amazon not to look at the data hosted on their platform? If the latter, then I think that's just extreme paranoia. If there was ANY evidence of Amazon doing that it would destroy everyones trust in AWS and I suspect people wouldn't be able to move away fast enough (Whi…

It's not paranoia. An ex-Amazon manager told me fairly recently that they look at customer performance data (trends etc) when evaluating future business opportunities. So once you start getting traction and customers, there's some internal product manager evaluating whether it's worth entering your market.

Is this for real? Thats terrible.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Amazon does similar practises, like not selling Chromecast/apple TV etc on their site. Is this instance of AWS blockage a big deal? probably not. I wonder if it just slows down Walmarts efforts

Didn't they stop stocking those things because they wouldn't run Amazon Prime by defaults or something?

Amazon decided to fork Android, and create fire phone, their own app store, and a bunch of other attempts at cutting Google out. They decided to not support other streamers because they again launched their own stick. So instead of explaining to customers, or dealing with returns, about why they can't play amazon content on chromecast, they just banned chromecast from the store. And to emphasize, it's not about not stocking. No third party seller can sell a chromecast on amazon either. The upshot of that is that when you search for chromecast on amazon, you see a bunch of knock off results that look similar to chromecast, but aren't.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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This is... Not the best? That Wal-Mart is powerful enough to dictate the internal business practice and tech decisions of it's vendor. On the other hand, Amazon is a massive immoral monster devouring the US economy and replacing it with something vaguely worse, year by year. It's rapidly approaching a "too big to be allowed to fail" status, and that's awful for Americans. Since anti-trust laws weren't written by a ge…

This kind of hyperbole is absolutely and demonstrably absurd. What a disgrace that this is the top comment.

> demonstrably absurd

Please do demonstrate how it is absurd.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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"It also is not unheard of for Wal-Mart to demand to examine the private financial records of a supplier, and to insist that its margins are too high and must be cut." https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know

Good grace, these "business practices" are nasty. Thanks for the read.

Amazon does exactly the same thing though: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/02/17/cheap-words (focusing specifically on books, but they do it across all sectors)

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It's not too tough to spot the fakes if you are looking.

If you're manually looking through the reviews, yeah it's easy. But it makes sorting results by star rating almost useless as you can no longer trust the average ratings until you go through and read some of them.

FWIW, I use Fakespot.com now for any purchase of significance.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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If libertarians don't realize that the system they're advocating for is essentially corporate feudalism, they're suckers. I'd rather have a powerful government accountable to voters than a powerful corporate oligarchy that is only accountable to shareholders.

If libertarians don't realize that the system they're advocating for is essentially corporate feudalism, they're suckers In a purely Libertarian world, there wouldn't be any corporations, since corporations are a legal fiction that depend on the State for their existence.

If that's true, what occupies the space between Libertarian and Anarchist? There's an umbrella of libertarian thought camps, you're thinking of Anarcho-Capitalism which is a pretty small faction.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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It's the first option. They are pretty intent on making sure their spending doesn't make its way back to their biggest competitor.

Don't discount the latter option, corporate espionage is a very real thing that goes on far more often than people realize. Of course im about to be shouted down by a bunch of posts with [citation needed], well guess what, the goal of business like this is to ensure that nobody can ever make such a citation. There is a reason Google, Intel and Apple are extremely paranoid about their internal data, and Walmart too. I…

Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Walmart, and Amazon are all our clients, and Apple had strictest requirements of all of them. They want to guarantee that nobody is looking at their data.
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