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Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by athenot »

snowwolf wrote: post #17

Is this because they actively want to discourage any revenue going Amazon's way from Wal-Mart related business activities, or because they don't trust Amazon not to look at the data hosted on their platform? If the latter, then I think that's just extreme paranoia. If there was ANY evidence of Amazon doing that it would destroy everyones trust in AWS and I suspect people wouldn't be able to move away fast enough (Whi…

It's the first option. They are pretty intent on making sure their spending doesn't make its way back to their biggest competitor.

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Post by _e »

snowwolf wrote: post #17

Is this because they actively want to discourage any revenue going Amazon's way from Wal-Mart related business activities, or because they don't trust Amazon not to look at the data hosted on their platform? If the latter, then I think that's just extreme paranoia. If there was ANY evidence of Amazon doing that it would destroy everyones trust in AWS and I suspect people wouldn't be able to move away fast enough (Whi…

The latter. Amazon doesn't have to look at the data directly but only passively monitor their own server logs to get an idea of what is happening.

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Post by pimmen »

snowwolf wrote: post #17

Is this because they actively want to discourage any revenue going Amazon's way from Wal-Mart related business activities, or because they don't trust Amazon not to look at the data hosted on their platform? If the latter, then I think that's just extreme paranoia. If there was ANY evidence of Amazon doing that it would destroy everyones trust in AWS and I suspect people wouldn't be able to move away fast enough (Whi…

If it's the former, it's classic anti-competitive practices that merits anti-trust charges.

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Post by rocgf »

peteretep wrote: post #9
pen2l wrote: post #4

> Amazon's rise as the dominant player in renting on-demand, web-based computing power and storage has put some competitors, such as Netflix Inc., in the unlikely position of relying on a corporate rival as they move to the cloud. Oh yeah, Netflix is on AWS. Amazon is doing pretty much everything, I expect/predict in another two years they will launch a music streaming site a la Google Music/Spotify.

I expect/predict in a couple of years that Netflix will be able to run just fine on Azure.

Not sure... is this a joke or... ?

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Post by ssharp »

rocgf wrote: post #24
peteretep wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect/predict in a couple of years that Netflix will be able to run just fine on Azure.

Not sure... is this a joke or... ?

I'm assuming Netflix has a pretty detailed contract with Amazon, assuring them service levels and preventing Amazon from doing anything nefarious. Still, I'm sure Netflix has contingency plans in place.

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Post by pluc »

snowwolf wrote: post #17

Is this because they actively want to discourage any revenue going Amazon's way from Wal-Mart related business activities, or because they don't trust Amazon not to look at the data hosted on their platform? If the latter, then I think that's just extreme paranoia. If there was ANY evidence of Amazon doing that it would destroy everyones trust in AWS and I suspect people wouldn't be able to move away fast enough (Whi…

I worked on a WM project - they insisted on GCP instead of AWS so I think it's the former, unless they have some trust partnership with Google.

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by spydum »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #18

This is stupid! Walmart is loosing it. Generally happens when you are getting ready to lose, you start becoming erratic. Everybody forgets how WalMart single handedly destroyed the mom and pop shops of America putting them out of jobs.

It isn't stupid, it's cheap insurance that your competitor doesn't gain access to your data.

Yes there are ways to make sure Amazon doesn't have easy access to it, while still hosting with them, but they are hard, and at the end of the day, physical access trumps most of those security controls.

Also, Walmart are SUPER paranoid about their internal data.

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Post by djhworld »

> “It shouldn’t be a big surprise that there are cases in which we’d prefer our most sensitive data isn’t sitting on a competitor’s platform,”

Ok sounds reasonable from an information security standpoint

> Snowflake Computing Inc., a data-warehousing service, was approached by a Wal-Mart client about handling its business from the retailer, Chief Executive Bob Muglia said. The catch: Snowflake had to run those services on Azure.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Wal-Mart is telling some vendors they can’t run applications on AWS

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Post by throwaway2048 »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #18

This is stupid! Walmart is loosing it. Generally happens when you are getting ready to lose, you start becoming erratic. Everybody forgets how WalMart single handedly destroyed the mom and pop shops of America putting them out of jobs.

Its not stupid to not want to feed money and data about your operations to a direct competitor.

Maybe amazon would look at the data, maybe they wouldn't but if they did they would do it in a way that was nearly 100% impossible to ever prove.

Corporate espionage is a very deep rabbit hole, and goes on far more often than people think it does.

Why give them the opportunity to do so?

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