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UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Hypothetically, Would they accept a united Ireland as part of the UK?

Why on earth would they want that - I don't think I've heard anyone even mentioning that idea. It's about as likely as the US deciding it wants to be a UK colony again.

Exactly. What a ridiculous suggestion.

We will get our island back and it's in sight now

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I hope the influence of the DUP in Belfast will at least put us on a footing to get immigration and borders sorted more quickly. Those factors will have the greatest effect on tech companies.

Honestly the idea of the DUP having actual power in Westminster scares me. They are even more conservative then the Conservatives, especially about social issues.

Not to mention the effect on the Bi peace process - the government is no longer neutral.

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The BBC feed says: "There's still no result in Kensington, west London, after two recounts. The Conservatives say they'll keep calling for recounts until they are denied any more, rather than concede, the BBC understands. As such, there's going to be a third recount, which is either going to take place this afternoon or tomorrow..." What's that about? On the face of it it seems so childishly spiteful that I feel I mu…

It actually occurred in the 1910s that there was 1 (One!) vote in an area. If its as close as that, there is significant benefit to recounting, as any result that tips the balance could tip the balance of some later votes given the tories lack of a majority

1 vote in Exeter apparently, closer to now there were only 2 votes in east fife last night. Same in Winchester in 1997.

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Something like this? http://static.polityka.pl/_resource/res/path/ce/97/ce973cf4-...

Nice find! Reality doesn't look as graceful tho! Is that May flying off with an article 50 printout? :-)

That's a metaphor for partitions of Poland.

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Honestly, I reckon May's decision was understandable. Great polling with a complex negotiation coming up - makes sense to establish a national convention consensus government and press on (regardless of that decision being a bad one or not). But she completely fluffed the campaign, to a ludicrous extent. She had a weak opposition and popular support, and seemed to make every possible attempt to run as poor as a campa…

Why is Corbyn a weak candidate? I don`t get it why left = communism. Corbyn is a lot like Sanders he can get the youth to vote for some degrees and has good ideas for the majority of a country. Austerity is not a good solution for the future within the new dawn of technology around the corner (ML/AI driven software)

Jeremy is well to the left of the majority of labour party members he's a old school socialist not a communist though.

David Miliband (the king over the water) or Ed Miliband running on the same platform would have probably got a LAB majority given the disastrous tory campaign.

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I'm curious has something like that ever happened. A country was conquered, then won independence and then at a later point, decided to "rejoin" them.

Crimea kind of did that. They were conquered by Russia ~200 years ago, won independence with the Ukraine and then wanted to rejoin with Russia.

For dubious values of "wanted". Russian troops literally seized the Crimean parliament building and forced MPs to vote to hold a referendum on it at gunpoint, and the referendum itself was questionable due to being held under Russian military occuption (not to mention illegal).

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The supposedly stable system has led to 3 nation elections in 7 years (probably another one this year too) and 2 hung parliaments in the same time. Meanwhile Germany and many other countries have very stable politics with proportional representation.

To add to this, having a system which has to learn to work with other parties, negotiate and compromise is a good thing. MMPs supposed downsides are not necessarily so.

But it does mean that fringe extremist parties can get pet policies passed by holding their partners feet to the fire that the majority of the population wouldn't vote for

Its why NI doesn't have abortion or the same rights for Gay people its down to the Ultras in the DUP as Churchill Said "nothing so loyal as an Ulster "policeman"

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How is it a collapse for the Tories when they still have 48.5% of the vote? It seems pretty good to me - though I'm not familiar with English politics. (Serious Q not attacking)

A few months ago people were talking about a 100-seat majority for the Tories. Now they have no majority at all: they'll need to get every member of their party plus a few from the DUP to agree to any controversial thing they want to pass (e.g. the Brexit treaty) which might force the government (administration) to make concessions to extreme wings of the party (e.g. a hard-Brexit faction).

actually for some votes that only effect England the DUP cant vote so they cant pass "English" bills without doing a deal with labor / liberals.

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Hypothetically, Would they accept a united Ireland as part of the UK?

Never! We are Irish. We do not and will not ever accept a king, queen or monarch ruling over us. We are a Republic and would be willing to die for it, and this time go the whole way

Are you a DUP member? I think you're in the wrong party if so

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I'd imagine the hardcore Conservatives will see BoJo as the only possible "Stop Corbyn" candidate - Amber Rudd is too high risk and not well known enough, even though she did very well in the campaign. The problem is that, by all accounts, while BoJo might come across as a nice guy by all accounts he'd likely make an awful PM (e.g. read about the chaos that was his last leadership attempt).

The only 'chaos' I recall was trusting Gove, was there something else?

"All Out War" by Tim Shipman has a lot of the details of the post Brexit manoeuvring for power - Boris appeared to be completely disorganised and with a poorly managed team. One particular event described is where Boris probably lost the PM role because he got mixed up about sending a text to tell his team to tweet that Andrea Leadsom was joining the Boris & Gove team. Leadsom backed out after hearing nothing from Boris and announced that she was running on her own behalf and then Grove did the same.
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