Veronika Hubeny(the physicist who got interrupted) replied to the incident, https://www.facebook.com/marilee.talkington/posts/1015505138... Very humble woman.
I don't see anything. Can you paste it here?
“Let her speak please”
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#92Veronika Hubeny(the physicist who got interrupted) replied to the incident, https://www.facebook.com/marilee.talkington/posts/1015505138... Very humble woman.
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#93This thread is basically people stumbling over themselves trying to defend how this is NOT sexist or justify the varying degrees of sexism.
Some of the fun examples: - men get talked over too! (doesn't mean this isn't sexist) - he's just an asshole (doesn't mean he's not a sexist asshole) - that woman is just looking for a social justice moment (how about the rest of the audience?)
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
> mansplaining Please avoid using derogative terms, suggesting that a whole category (men in this case) have a certain behaviour. That's sexism, too.
Or, as it was already called, "being condescending." I don't get why EVERYTHING is shoehorned into being some gender-related thing these days.
Because that's how the younger generation of feminists was taught to look at the world.
It's why most of the time I find myself gravitating to many of the older, more balanced, feminists. Mansplaining is the classic problem looking for a solution.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Journalists definitely like to hear themselves talk, even when formulating questions while moderating a discussion. But if he, as a relative layperson in science, felt that comfortable interrupting Dr. Hubeny and riffing off of her area of expertise, imagine what he's like in a topic in which he doesn't think himself a relative amateur.
> Journalists definitely like to hear themselves talk, even when formulating questions while moderating a discussion. slightly off topic, but with the rise of ubiquitous audio/video and the interview/discussion/panel format, it is infuriating how many hosts just blatantly speak over their guests, over and over and over. it's one of the biggest tells between a professional interviewer and a rank amateur. i can barely…
Charlie Rose has been an absolutely abysmal interviewer his whole career, which is a tragedy considering how good they are at booking great guests. He asks long leading questions, proceeds to answer them himself, and then tacks on an “isn’t that right?” at the end. When the guest inevitably says “that’s not how I think of it, Charlie, let me explain ...”, he then interrupts and repeats his original claim again. Ugh, drives me crazy.
He also kisses up like mad to a few people (Tom Friedman? Yuck.) while stomping all over experts he doesn’t agree with, often because he doesn’t understand their point.
My favorite was when at some point maybe 15 years ago he was interviewing I think Bill Joy, and asked one of his long multi-sentence leading questions. To which the response was ... pause ... “well, duh.”
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Thankfully Terry Gross single-handedly makes up for all the bad interviewers in the world.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know men get talked over by women too?
Do you believe that it is as common? Do you believe that the person you are replying to doesn't believe that it ever happens? Does excluding a full disclaimer invalidate his thoughts about trying not to talk over women or dominating conversations? I don't believe it is always necessary to counter-exemplify what you experience as a general trend.
My personal experience, especially through family and to a lesser extent through other acquaintances, is of women dominating conversations and talking over men. I (a man) can't tell you how many times I've had a woman ask me a question and then talk over my answer, or repeatedly interrupt me when I try to participate in a conversation. And I see the same thing happening to other men I know. The men just kind of give up and fade into the background as they realize they are simply not going to be allowed to speak.
Now I'm perfectly willing to believe that other people find the opposite experience more common. But I have to admit my initial reaction to statements like "this is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men" is not positive, and I really do wish the conversation could be about people dominating conversations rather than men dominating conversations.
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#97It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…
> I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism
No idea where you get that from, if not the wave of social media outrage. There's no evidence of sexism here at all.
The audience applauded because of the injustice taking place at that moment which the moderator was unaware of. He was being rude by not letting her speak at that point. Everyone saw and applauded when balance was restored.
Nothing to do with sexism, it was just a clumsy moderator moment that could have happened to anyone.
He could have handled it better by saying "let me talk for a moment about your theories, if I may, and then I'll hand over to you". That would have been acceptable, but he didn't do that, and she felt unable to speak. Audience was with her, and applauded.
At 27:05 he asks her a question and does not interrupt, so it's not like there are no examples of him being polite and treating her with the same respect as other members.
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I didn't take notes and don't have a ton of time, but here are some examples: 14:30 - moderator assumes another panelist's position 'surely you're going to take issue...' 22:30 - moderator explains another panelist's research for him, for nearly 2 full minutes. Attempts to talk over panelist when panelist starts to speak, but notably the panelist consciously speaks louder and repetitively to cut off the moderator. 26…
In none of these did the moderator ignore repeated attempts of the panelist to speak though.
> Attempts to talk over panelist when panelist starts to speak, but notably the panelist consciously speaks louder and repetitively to cut off the moderator.
If that isn't talking over another panelist, I don't know what is...
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
potential alternative explanation: the moderator was somehow socially aware (such people exist) and felt, or seemed to feel, that the interviewee was anxious, and felt that doing the talking for her made her more comfortable. or we can just assume it was sexism. because everything is always sexism at all times when theres a woman involved. but then obviously its still sexism because assuming someone is afraid of atte…
The video in no way supports your hypothesis: https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=1h1m55s
This nonFB user thanks u for the link
Two first impressions
2. what is the deal with audiences thinking they can shout??? Where are the manners?
1. the moderator either was thrilled he was with a superstar and overtalked to show her his knowledge, to elevate to her level - or he was a total disrespectful jerk.
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#100It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…
>mansplaining please keep tumblr tier made up words away from HN, its ridiculous.
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