This facebook post sounds like a murder.
I do understand that it isn't nice or anything but that post blows it up to much which leads to disliking it.
“Let her speak please”
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#72It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…
> mansplaining
Please avoid using derogative terms, suggesting that a whole category (men in this case) have a certain behaviour.
That's sexism, too.
Re: “Let her speak please”
#73What's really interesting is that the author only became 'boiling' with rage when this socially-unaware moderator talked over the woman on the panel, not when he talked over the other men. This kind of behavior is extremely common in STEM, and happens to everyone. If you don't talk with confidence, purpose, and animation, you're going to get talked over by the alpha nerd of the group. Man, woman, or purple elephant.…
What's really interesting is that every time sexism comes up there are volunteers eager to show it isn't sexism.
It's almost like people are growing increasingly sick of being marginalized by identity politicians co-opting issues that really effect everyone. There needs to be a better strategy than "take a widespread social issue and pretend it only affects a subset of the population and only solve the issue for said subset" for producing legitimate social change, else pushback.
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#74> he continued to talk over her and dominate the space for several minutes > I'm still upset by the incredible sexism that has been demonstrated this afternoon Now I feel bad for missing out on labeling every instance of a man being rude to me as sexism! /s
My thoughts exactly. It is beyond all doubt that sexism exists in the world, there are countless examples of it, from Disney movies, toy advertisement, philharmonic orchestra, etc, etc. I find it a bit strange to label the speaker as a sexist just because he didn't let someone speak. Maybe he is just a dick? Maybe she was rude to him back stage? Maybe he was having a bad day? Maybe the chemistry between them was off?…
People talking over other people is a problem of sexism because the people doing the talking are mostly men, and the people being talked over are mostly (but not always) women; but also because the consequences for challenging this behaviour are different for men and women.
If a man asserts himself he's seen as confident and assertive, and other positive labels
If a woman asserts herself she's seen as aggressive, shrill,
> What, I now can't be rude to a woman without being called a sexist?
If your rudeness is more likely to happen to women then maybe it's a result of sexism.
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#75I was at the world science festival though not at this talk. If it's like the others it's a panel discussion but a lot pre planned.
For the Brian Greene quantum physics panel discussion he went from person to person to discuss the double slit experiment. The fact that videos were involved indicated that it wasn't just a random discussion.
There was the Alan Alda / Tina Feye talk about communicating that was quite good. If your waiting to say your thing instead of listening..
Re: “Let her speak please”
#76It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…
>mansplaining
please keep tumblr tier made up words away from HN, its ridiculous.
Re: “Let her speak please”
#77> he continued to talk over her and dominate the space for several minutes > I'm still upset by the incredible sexism that has been demonstrated this afternoon Now I feel bad for missing out on labeling every instance of a man being rude to me as sexism! /s
My thoughts exactly. It is beyond all doubt that sexism exists in the world, there are countless examples of it, from Disney movies, toy advertisement, philharmonic orchestra, etc, etc. I find it a bit strange to label the speaker as a sexist just because he didn't let someone speak. Maybe he is just a dick? Maybe she was rude to him back stage? Maybe he was having a bad day? Maybe the chemistry between them was off?…
You don't have to be a sexist, racist to say stupid things. Bill Maher just dropped the n-bomb.
It's not for me to determine what offends other people.
To have successful interactions, relationships, I try very hard to meet other people where they're at, listen more than talk, adapt.
Sometimes it doesn't work. Most of the time it does.
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In this case, the moderator's job is to make the panel shine, just like Johnny Carson. But he didn't. And if our collective guess why is wrong, he could still up his game.
Re: “Let her speak please”
#78It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…
> mansplaining Please avoid using derogative terms, suggesting that a whole category (men in this case) have a certain behaviour. That's sexism, too.
Or, as it was already called, "being condescending." I don't get why EVERYTHING is shoehorned into being some gender-related thing these days.
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#79I dipped in an out of the video hunting for this "event" a bit harder to find than I expected. Initially I didn't realise who the moderator was, and eventually I realised this guy kept adding dumbed down clarifications to everything, unnecessarily annotating things, almost every time talking over someone who was in the middle of trying to make a point or explain something... Maybe deep inside he did have a sexist attitude, but when I found "the event" what I saw was just a worse versions of the same explanation hijacker in previous parts of the video, It was nowhere near as well defined exclusion as the post made out... It was fucking frustrating sure but memory is coloured with your feelings, and this video shows it.
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#80It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…
> mansplaining Please avoid using derogative terms, suggesting that a whole category (men in this case) have a certain behaviour. That's sexism, too.
I'm a man and I think this term is fine. You don't speak for all men.