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Re: “Let her speak please”

#41
It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN.

But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is a genuine, spontaneous and loud ovation. Contrast that with the fact that through the rest of the video, the moderator doesn't act the same way to other panelists; and it makes clear to me that the whole audience was considering the moderator's behavior inappropriate and motivated by her being a woman. So, for subjective assessments, there is some wisdom of the crowd worth considering (especially as this was not a 'feminist' crowd or even a female-biased crowd, on the contrary, I believe).

Now, to give the moderator some credit, after some awkward moment where he does not know how to keep it cool, he does take the hint and shut up.

EDIT: I would like to give some more credit to the moderator. At the video moment that lorenzhs pointed out below (https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=1h1m55s), the moderator explicitly state that Veronika Hubeny was not given a chance to speak about her knowledge. This, I believe, is an indicator that the moderator is not a bad person and his sexism is not conscious or originated by strong believe that women are not as capable in the field as men. I still believe he is patronizing and is being sexist, but in a way that he can get the feedback and change his behavior, as he is not a sexist. He was being sexist, he is not one. My point is: he seems to be a nice person, not a villain, that is influenced by a sexist environment. And changing that environment should be our goal, not pointing fingers. As Marilee Talkington did, politely and publicly.

EDIT 2: After reading Hubeny's comment I'm more in doubt if it was sexism. Actually, I'm more inclined to believe it was not sexism. As I said, it is a subjective call, and her opinion matters most than others as she is the subject and used to being surrounded by men in her profession. Her comment is very kind and smart also in itself, worth reading.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#43

What's really interesting is that the author only became 'boiling' with rage when this socially-unaware moderator talked over the woman on the panel, not when he talked over the other men. This kind of behavior is extremely common in STEM, and happens to everyone. If you don't talk with confidence, purpose, and animation, you're going to get talked over by the alpha nerd of the group. Man, woman, or purple elephant.…

What's really interesting is that every time sexism comes up there are volunteers eager to show it isn't sexism.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#44
> And I'm thinking. "God, please god let this be an opening for those that were here today ...

Hoping that a deity may initiate a major change of human social policy based on this event may be a non-obvious and non-trivial part of the greater problem.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#45

What's really interesting is that the author only became 'boiling' with rage when this socially-unaware moderator talked over the woman on the panel, not when he talked over the other men. This kind of behavior is extremely common in STEM, and happens to everyone. If you don't talk with confidence, purpose, and animation, you're going to get talked over by the alpha nerd of the group. Man, woman, or purple elephant.…

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Re: “Let her speak please”

#46
The exaggeration of this post is infuriating. I saw the video, and while I do agree that Jim Holt was especially rude in asking questions and then start talking as soon as she started answering, that is all it is. Rudeness. Not sexism. He did it with the men too.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to tell feminists what sexism is? My advice: don't. Listen.

Isn't this whole thread about not letting people talk over you? Only listening and not being able to contribute back to what should be a conversation? Everyone has the right to express frustration, I think.

You missed the point entirely.

This thread is specifically and pointedly about men speaking over top women, especially when there is a power differential (panelist vs. moderator in this case). Not about the general problem of needing to speak up for yourself.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to tell feminists what sexism is? My advice: don't. Listen.

Isn't this whole thread about not letting people talk over you? Only listening and not being able to contribute back to what should be a conversation? Everyone has the right to express frustration, I think.

Listen, you don't understand. Feminists are the sole authority of sexism and thus, if someone proclaims themselves as feminist, you better listen and accept their truths.

It might be uncomfortable but you are just supporting patriachy and misogyny if you don't stop thinking with your own misguided, sexist brain.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#49
post #41

It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…

potential alternative explanation:

the moderator was somehow socially aware (such people exist) and felt, or seemed to feel, that the interviewee was anxious, and felt that doing the talking for her made her more comfortable.

or we can just assume it was sexism. because everything is always sexism at all times when theres a woman involved.

but then obviously its still sexism because assuming someone is afraid of attention must have been because shes a woman and any true sexist would assume that women, being women, wouldnt ever want to be in the spotlight, so sexism either way.

Re: “Let her speak please”

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to tell feminists what sexism is? My advice: don't. Listen.

Isn't this whole thread about not letting people talk over you? Only listening and not being able to contribute back to what should be a conversation? Everyone has the right to express frustration, I think.

Not anymore, apparently. Unless you're a member of a special victim club, you're either to agree or shut up. The toxicity of the politics surrounding all of this stuff is incredibly counter productive.
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