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Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by lorenzhs »

wayn3 wrote: post #49
soneca wrote: post #41

It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…

potential alternative explanation: the moderator was somehow socially aware (such people exist) and felt, or seemed to feel, that the interviewee was anxious, and felt that doing the talking for her made her more comfortable. or we can just assume it was sexism. because everything is always sexism at all times when theres a woman involved. but then obviously its still sexism because assuming someone is afraid of atte…

The video in no way supports your hypothesis: https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=1h1m55s

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by haburka »

kirRoyale wrote: post #20
jasonshen wrote: post #11

Edit: I watched the video. The moderator goes on and on and the "let her speak please" sounds very polite. This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men. It's one thing to have one panelist talk over another, but to have the moderator, who is explicitly in charge of facilitating a panel discussion, be the one to drown out a panelist is just unacceptable. Yes, "not all men" do this, but th…

You know men get talked over by women too?

This is pretty much a textbook troll comment right here.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by gamache »

wayn3 wrote: post #49
soneca wrote: post #41

It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…

potential alternative explanation: the moderator was somehow socially aware (such people exist) and felt, or seemed to feel, that the interviewee was anxious, and felt that doing the talking for her made her more comfortable. or we can just assume it was sexism. because everything is always sexism at all times when theres a woman involved. but then obviously its still sexism because assuming someone is afraid of atte…

> the moderator was somehow socially aware (such people exist) and felt, or seemed to feel, that the interviewee was anxious, and felt that doing the talking for her made her more comfortable.

Oh! OK, so not sexism, just paternalism. But only for the female panelist.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by IncRnd »

obstacle1 wrote: post #23

What's really interesting is that the author only became 'boiling' with rage when this socially-unaware moderator talked over the woman on the panel, not when he talked over the other men. This kind of behavior is extremely common in STEM, and happens to everyone. If you don't talk with confidence, purpose, and animation, you're going to get talked over by the alpha nerd of the group. Man, woman, or purple elephant.…

This is an excellent point.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by ainiriand »

obstacle1 wrote: post #31
ainiriand wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you actually seen the video?

Yes, that is how I know that the moderator talks over each panelist in turn throughout the 'conversation'. Do you have something to add to the discussion, or a question you wanted to ask of me that has some value? I'm not sure what you think your comment accomplishes here.

I recognize that different people have different perceptions so in no way I could go and say that something is not the way others perceive it. That is why I asked if you actually saw the video, I have a different conclusion after seeing it. I see that there is a problem, while you don't. You see it as normal, for me it is far from that. Probably you could be a bit more open-minded in regards of other people's perceptions and less dismissive to problems that you fail to see.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by obstacle1 »

danso wrote: post #30
obstacle1 wrote: post #23

What's really interesting is that the author only became 'boiling' with rage when this socially-unaware moderator talked over the woman on the panel, not when he talked over the other men. This kind of behavior is extremely common in STEM, and happens to everyone. If you don't talk with confidence, purpose, and animation, you're going to get talked over by the alpha nerd of the group. Man, woman, or purple elephant.…

You've been able to watch enough of the video to discern that the moderator was an equal-opportunity-interruptor? Honest question, I just skimmed the video, and given that there were 5 men of similar age/race, I don't think even if I were in the audience I'd have a clear tally on how much each man got to speak, versus how easy it is to track how much/little opportunity the woman had. But the OP does assert that the m…

I didn't take notes and don't have a ton of time, but here are some examples:

14:30 - moderator assumes another panelist's position 'surely you're going to take issue...'

22:30 - moderator explains another panelist's research for him, for nearly 2 full minutes. Attempts to talk over panelist when panelist starts to speak, but notably the panelist consciously speaks louder and repetitively to cut off the moderator.

26:20 - moderator rambles while ignoring a panelist who raises hand wanting to speak (and then hands the conversation to the female panelist)

31:00 - moderator spends a full minute 'explaining' a panelist's philosophy completely incorrectly, before panelist says the summary is incorrect and corrects.

38:00 - moderator rambles about definitions of inflation, asks a cosmologist to explain, cosmologist explains, moderator isn't satisfied and explains more about different definitions of inflation, asks cosmologist to explain better than he did before.

The moderator is simply a dominant personality who wants to play a central role in the conversation rather than moderate it.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by [deleted] »

soneca wrote: post #41

It is hard and subjective to assess if the moderator behavior was just indiscriminately rude or sexism by mansplaining. That's why I don't expect the comments here to be as interesting and enlightening as for other common topics at HN. But I would like to just point out what, I believe, it's a strong signaling that it was sexism: the whole audience reaction to when the woman shouted: "Let her speak please". There is…

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Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by alexpetralia »

ITT: Sexism _must_ be intentional to be true!

If someone's implicit biases (or given the circumstances, like having ten or hundred men in the room versus one woman) cause them to act differently toward women than men, it's still sexism - intentional or not. I'd encourage the men in this thread to exercise a bit of empathy and imagine what it'd be like to be the only man in a room full of 100 women (eg. Miley Cyrus concert) - not particularly comfortable!

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by forgottenpass »

watwut wrote: post #34
obstacle1 wrote: post #23

What's really interesting is that the author only became 'boiling' with rage when this socially-unaware moderator talked over the woman on the panel, not when he talked over the other men. This kind of behavior is extremely common in STEM, and happens to everyone. If you don't talk with confidence, purpose, and animation, you're going to get talked over by the alpha nerd of the group. Man, woman, or purple elephant.…

Aren't nerds supposed to be awkward and shy? Alpha nerd sounds like an oxymoron to me.

In tech:

I don't like it + assertive = macho, bro, jock, alpha, etc

I don't like it + meek = neckbeard, autistic, etc

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