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A day without JavaScript

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Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by pjmlp »

scaryclam wrote: post #33
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not unreasonable to expect hyperlinks or images to work without JS. Fancier stuff sure, but basic navigation through a content only site should be functional without it. This is what HTML does and you have to be profoundly lazy to screw that up.

This is really the problem I think. It's not as much fun to create something that functions properly. The best FE devs make sure that they create functioning web pages first. Then they go ahead and make them better with some JS. Only the least competent/laziest developers create JS only sites (this is discounting things like JS games etc where there's no text or images, or pretty much anything that can be done in HTM…

Hence why we now have the movement of pure HTML 5 / CSS 3 among those best FE devs.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by dmitriz »

Ironically, this articles confirms that investing into the no-JS functionality is becoming less and less important, with those major sites already forcing the user into JS. Why then would you invest your time and money to cater to the "eccentric" 1%?

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by pharrlax »

sametmax wrote: post #21
JepZ wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really an answer to your question, but this might be useful: http://youmightnotneedjquery.com

Yeah. Except you need to do Ajax and fetch doesn't cut it. So new lib. And manipulate the dom with something better then the browser API or you loose your mind. So new lib. Then normalize browser events. Oh wait, you can do that manually. But you are writing a new lib. Eventually the code will grow to be the size of jQuery anyway. Only not as well tested, documented and cached.

Also, vast majority of users will have a cached copy of jQuery from Google CDN already.

Now bundling it with the rest of your JS, that's indeed a mistake.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by scaryclam »

russdpale wrote: post #6

I generally agree with what he is saying, but the web has moved beyond the point where its reasonable to expect websites to have JS fallbacks. It is just too prominent now a days. I've always been a JS hater, though I have to code it frequently.. However, with that said I find the arguments against the language becoming more and more obsolete as the years go on.

No, it hasn't really. I like JS, but I think the attitude that it's a requirement now really needs to go away. I'm hoping it will when the current generation of more junior FE devs start to grow up and realise their work is about the users and their clients, not about what they want to do.

The article shows quite nicely that it's completely possible to create great websites without the requirement for JS to work well. Make it an enhancement and your users will love you for it. Make your users love you, and your employer/client will love you as well.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by IncRnd »

dmitriz wrote: post #42

Ironically, this articles confirms that investing into the no-JS functionality is becoming less and less important, with those major sites already forcing the user into JS. Why then would you invest your time and money to cater to the "eccentric" 1%?

The article gave the answer to your question as speed.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by tombrossman »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #24
shakna wrote: post #13

The fact that so many sites fail to even make use of a noscript block (like [0]), boggles my mind. [0] https://www.google.com/chrome/

Re [0], note that Google Maps on the other hand seems to handle lack of JS very well. I guess it can be blamed on different teams in the same big company.

If by "seems to handle lack of JS very well" you mean "does not work at all", that makes sense. Not being sarcastic either, it seems they decided to take an all or nothing approach and force the user to enable JS to use Google Maps, or instead see this page: https://i.imgur.com/Qc156Ds.png

Maybe the maps product wholly depends on JS for all functionality?

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by [deleted] »

WorkLobster wrote: post #31

Having browsed nearly JS-free for the last two-ish years, aside from a bit of tweaking at the start, I have to say that it has made things a lot faster, more stable, and just much more of a pleasure to navigate. If anyone is interested, I have found that two tools make life a lot easier: - NoScript, which blocks execution of scripts save for those you whitelist. This means sites that reasonably require JS (e.g. YouTu…

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Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by digi_owl »

FLUX-YOU wrote: post #36

>Verdict: Cartography catastrophe. As much as I hate JavaScript, Google Maps gets a pass. I'm pretty sure the code behind it is thoroughly tested. We can just suck it up and turn JavaScript on for one of the most useful tools from the internet -- how hard is it to find something that whitelists domains to run JS anyway?

Firefox has Noscript, and perhaps another tool i forget the name of (never tested it). Not sure if there is anything similar for Chrome (and the various offshots/rebrands) or Edge, never mind IE or Safari.
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