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Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by sametmax »

JepZ wrote: post #11
spiderfarmer wrote: post #8

One of my clients loads a 4.5 Mb bower.js (including Angular with a lot of components and jQuery), they also include an extra jQuery script, a full jQuery UI and several other scripts on each pageload . Nothing is minimized. The bower file alone has 300k in comments. The CSS file is also nearly 1 Mb. It's just a simple website with some forms. They have 2 developers working on the site, a scrum master, a project mana…

Not really an answer to your question, but this might be useful: http://youmightnotneedjquery.com

Yeah. Except you need to do Ajax and fetch doesn't cut it. So new lib. And manipulate the dom with something better then the browser API or you loose your mind. So new lib. Then normalize browser events. Oh wait, you can do that manually. But you are writing a new lib. Eventually the code will grow to be the size of jQuery anyway. Only not as well tested, documented and cached.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by [deleted] »

JepZ wrote: post #11
spiderfarmer wrote: post #8

One of my clients loads a 4.5 Mb bower.js (including Angular with a lot of components and jQuery), they also include an extra jQuery script, a full jQuery UI and several other scripts on each pageload . Nothing is minimized. The bower file alone has 300k in comments. The CSS file is also nearly 1 Mb. It's just a simple website with some forms. They have 2 developers working on the site, a scrum master, a project mana…

Not really an answer to your question, but this might be useful: http://youmightnotneedjquery.com

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Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by nigma »

I turned off JavaScript and Cookies for all sites a few months ago and only whitelist (or open in another Chrome profile) when they refuse to display or need an authenticated session.

There are some sites that require JS to render, but the great thing is that majority of pages I visit work just fine as plain html/css. In general I feel less distraction from popups, overlays, ads, etc.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by TeMPOraL »

shakna wrote: post #13

The fact that so many sites fail to even make use of a noscript block (like [0]), boggles my mind. [0] https://www.google.com/chrome/

Re [0], note that Google Maps on the other hand seems to handle lack of JS very well. I guess it can be blamed on different teams in the same big company.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by spiderfarmer »

deanward81 wrote: post #17
spiderfarmer wrote: post #8

One of my clients loads a 4.5 Mb bower.js (including Angular with a lot of components and jQuery), they also include an extra jQuery script, a full jQuery UI and several other scripts on each pageload . Nothing is minimized. The bower file alone has 300k in comments. The CSS file is also nearly 1 Mb. It's just a simple website with some forms. They have 2 developers working on the site, a scrum master, a project mana…

Chrome 59 has a coverage tool built-in: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/04/devtools-r...

That's interesting! Do you know if it is possible to access this data from an extension? I would love an extension that crawls through the website and combines the data for all pages.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by JohnStrange »

russdpale wrote: post #6

I generally agree with what he is saying, but the web has moved beyond the point where its reasonable to expect websites to have JS fallbacks. It is just too prominent now a days. I've always been a JS hater, though I have to code it frequently.. However, with that said I find the arguments against the language becoming more and more obsolete as the years go on.

I generally don't use websites that require JS. But I'm probably in a minority.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by 12345678qwerty »

People should realise that most sites today aren't websites, they're web applications. HTML is just the template/output language. Without JS you would have to download an even crappier, probably Windows only desktop app since it wouldn't be possible to implement the logic.

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by godinaa »

One thing to consider is that at larger companies, we already have a difficult enough time testing all of our site with JavaScript enabled. Netflix building a version that works without JavaScript is like asking them to build a second website, especially from a QA perspective. When you look at your users and find that .5% of them are not running JavaScript, how do you justify spending the money for that few of people?

Re: A day without JavaScript

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Post by pjmlp »

russdpale wrote: post #6

I generally agree with what he is saying, but the web has moved beyond the point where its reasonable to expect websites to have JS fallbacks. It is just too prominent now a days. I've always been a JS hater, though I have to code it frequently.. However, with that said I find the arguments against the language becoming more and more obsolete as the years go on.

Not for me, I only use web apps when there are no native alternatives, even though I also do web dev when customers require me to do so.

I take this to extreme on mobile apps, only native ones get into my devices. If it looks like a web widget after being installed, it gets the boot shortly afterwards.

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