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This is the stopgap. They said there'll be a real Pro in 2018.
Then why should anyone buy this one?
It's a different product for a different audience. And it has a screen.
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Sure, cool looking stuff is great, but if you type for 8+ hours a day, you might want to consider something that won't give you RSI. I mean, there's no lack of cool looking mechanical keyboards, even ones that match Apple products: https://input.club/k-type/ (That one is even USB-C and fully programmable/hackable with an open source firmware.)
I type for 8+ hours a day and don't have RSI. But I do know that typing on those old school mechanical keyboards with their large travel tire my fingers out. It's almost like people are different.
The travel distance to actuation is what really matters, and it's around 2mm with most mechanical switches. Also the required force to actuate scissor switches is on the higher side compared to other technologies.
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> Sure, cool looking stuff is great, but if you type for 8+ hours a day, you might want to consider something that won't give you RSI. Not sure what you have in mind, but split and "ergonomic" keyboard designs have never been shown to prevent or limit RSI. They're just a marketing gimmick. http://www.healthytyping.com/articles/why-you-should-not-use...
Those people are trying to sell you something, too.
Yes, but you don't have to buy it. Just check any other official source for split/ergonomic keyboards.
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I just built a powerful Hackintosh for about $1.5k with Sierra. Was worried about how stable it would be and took good care of researching all the parts that were verified by the community[1]. It's been going good for 3-4 months now. Took some effort to get it all setup but am very happy now. I use this for Video/Photo post-processing, web development mainly. [1] https://www.tonymacx86.com/
My concern with this type of set-up is not neccessarily getting it working initially. Clearly you did you research and found parts that were supported. My concern is upgrading. For people with hackintosh experience what has the longevity experience been like? Do things break each major upgrade? Are things slow moving to get to the latest version? I'm worried it might be like Linux desktop back in the day. I've found…
I am upgrading by doing a clean install every big version. I just did my Sierra "upgrade" last week. I am using a Hackintosh for 3 or 4 years now and while it is working I would not recommend it to people who just want something "that works".
It gets annoying quite fast and the only thing that kept me using it was the fact that Apple was so bad with updating their product line, which is over now as I will buy the new 5k iMac.
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The biggest problem is that the effective lifespan of a good display is much longer than a high performance computer. Even ignoring the compromises made to the computer to allow for the two to be merged, you are simply wasting money upgrading the monitor every time the computer needs to be upgraded. By attaching the two together this machine is even less practical to upgrade than the old trashcan Mac Pro.
Yup. I bought the 30" ACD in 2006. It's still running fine now, though a bit of image retention is creeping in.
Well, not the best argument for monitor's staying power.
Compared to 2006's ACD, new monitors have bigger brightness, better saturation, far wider color gamut, better viewing angles, AND double+ the resolution.
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My concern with this type of set-up is not neccessarily getting it working initially. Clearly you did you research and found parts that were supported. My concern is upgrading. For people with hackintosh experience what has the longevity experience been like? Do things break each major upgrade? Are things slow moving to get to the latest version? I'm worried it might be like Linux desktop back in the day. I've found…
I am upgrading by doing a clean install every big version. I just did my Sierra "upgrade" last week. I am using a Hackintosh for 3 or 4 years now and while it is working I would not recommend it to people who just want something "that works". It gets annoying quite fast and the only thing that kept me using it was the fact that Apple was so bad with updating their product line, which is over now as I will buy the new…
> the only thing that kept me using it was the fact that Apple was so bad with updating their product line,
May I ask what type of hardware you are using?
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LG's 5K display costs $1299.
This is the standard Apple argument, "You can't get things like this at all". "Well, what about competitors, X, Y and Z?" "Well, you can get things like this, but they might cost more." You're the one that said "5k screens cost $800-$1000 and they're inferior". The retort to that is not to say "Well, that monitor costs $1300". It's like you're only looking to acknowledge cheaper and inferior competitors and stick you…
This is the standard rebuttal to the standard Apple argument.
"Why not just build a machine out of individual parts X Y and Z for $nnn less than Apple's price"?
It completely ignores, at a minimum:
- Apple vertical integration
- All-in-one support/replacement
- The OS
Someone editing 4K+ video on Final Cut professionally wants a machine that runs Final Cut (which eliminates non-Macs), has the hardware to meet that use case, and that they don't have to screw with or have randomly break with updates (which eliminates Hackintoshes). We all agree with this yes?
Has Mac hardware carried a premium over equivalent specced individual parts since forever? You know the answer. The target market for the computer does. not. care.
Can we please not relitigate tired Mac-vs-PC arguments that are old enough to drink? They've never been relevant or interesting.
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They're the same chip, but one of them has artificially deactivated features and is a different line, yes. Misread the line part as chip.
It's a different part and it has different features. Not having ECC memory support is a big deal for some people, so it's misleading to suggest they're basically the same. They bin things for a reason. If you're happy using a less expensive part with fewer features, great, you can save money. If you're making a top-tier "Pro" product you'll want to avoid cutting corners like that.
What is misleading about that? I merely stated that they are the same chip at the start, but Intel deactivates features on the extreme series to segregate the market (nothing wrong with that).
Also see my edit of my original post where I mistakenly misread "line" as "chip" as stated.
> They bin things for a reason.
Yes, of course, so that the extreme series doesn't cut into the margins of the server market. If you could run RAID 5 and 10 without hardware dongles and ECC on the extreme series some smaller companies would probably prefer the i9 18 core for 2000$ to the 3000-4000$ 18 core Xeons. Again, this is fine, but Xeons and extreme series start of as the same chip. That's all I wanted to say on top of my correction of my original post.
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oddly the only issue I am disappointed with the new iMacs is that you cannot get the space gray on the standard line
I think this is devilish clever by Apple. If you see a space gray iMac you know this guy shelled out a lot of money and means business. Apple made the iMac Pro an even greater status symbol than the iMac already is.
>If you see a space gray iMac [...]
I'm not sure how that matters? This iMac in most cases won't be portable, so the only people who see it will be the ones using it or at least working with those who do.
You sort of make it sound equivalent to the old thing about how Macbooks had lit-up Apple logos on the shell and people would know "oh this person spent thousands on their Apple laptop..." But I don't think it's the same situation here.