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Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by vosper »

maxxxxx wrote: post #119
vosper wrote: post #28

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There are plenty of nice looking PC cases out there these days. I'm hoping to build a Hackintosh into an NZXT Manta case [0] (the windowless, matte black one) so that I can have practical, flexible, pretty, and quiet [0] https://www.nzxt.com/products/manta-matte-black-windowless

Nothing wrong with pretty. The problem with Apple these days seems to be that they compromise extensibility for prettiness.

Absolutely - and OSX is still the king of HiDPI compatibility, along with some other niceties. That's why I think a Hackintosh is the way to go - though it's a lot of work to build your own machine. If I had the skill and time I'd start selling compact PCs with hardware that just happened to be compatible with OSX. Might be a small market, but I think it's there.

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Post by canthonytucci »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #89
tomduncalf wrote: post #32

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

It sounds like the target audience for the new Mac Pro will be people who can afford to spend $10k on a quad-CPU machine. I'm sure those people will be happy. But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again .

But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k.

I would not hold my breath. If Apple are going to give you something serviceable and upgradable, expect whatever you would have spent servicing and upgrading (at the time of purchase) a "normal" machine through them to be added to the price.

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Post by rl3 »

@dang @sctb Dupe detection just killed my iMac Pro submission with an Apple URL after it reached over 60 comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14491068

Perhaps a thread merge is in order? Official links tend to always be preferred for Apple announcements, hence my posting it. Sorry if I caused any extra work! :)

It's worth noting that dupe detection also killed off salimmadjd's submission linking to the hyphenated product URL (mine is just the non-hyphenated Apple redirect to that same URL).

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by Gracana »

coldtea wrote: post #152
Slackwise wrote: post #147

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Sure, cool looking stuff is great, but if you type for 8+ hours a day, you might want to consider something that won't give you RSI. I mean, there's no lack of cool looking mechanical keyboards, even ones that match Apple products: https://input.club/k-type/ (That one is even USB-C and fully programmable/hackable with an open source firmware.)

> Sure, cool looking stuff is great, but if you type for 8+ hours a day, you might want to consider something that won't give you RSI. Not sure what you have in mind, but split and "ergonomic" keyboard designs have never been shown to prevent or limit RSI. They're just a marketing gimmick. http://www.healthytyping.com/articles/why-you-should-not-use...

Those people are trying to sell you something, too.

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Post by bitwize »

FireBeyond wrote: post #208
shinratdr wrote: post #179

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What makes you think that? A large part of the cost of the iMac is the screen & design. I would expect an entry level new Mac Pro to cost exactly the same or less than every other Mac Pro, so around 3K.

"From $4999".

Machrone's Law, still in effect!

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Post by valarauca1 »

gigatexal wrote: post #194
MitjaBezensek wrote: post #190

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The cheapest 5k iMac is $1799, so just the screen is probably closer to $1000.

so say for the imac pro which comes with 32GB ddr4 standard and a 1TB nvme ssd, an 8 core chip, and the higher end panel: 1k for the panel, 750 for the cpu, 200 for the ram, 650 for the ssd (samsung 960 pro?) comes to: 2600 before labor and other overhead. Solid margins there for sure, but I maintain still not a ripoff. As I have earned more in my career (I'm still not wealthy by any means, but I like nice things --…

8 core Xeons are ~$450 bucks.

E5-2620v4 owner. 8c/16HT it isn't a $700 processor.

A $700 Xeon is the 10c/20HT

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by bitwize »

nsxwolf wrote: post #183
astrodust wrote: post #174

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Why would Apple make a "mechanical" keyboard when there's already multiple vendors like Matias ( http://matias.ca/tactilepro/ ) that make several models of that exact thing? Personally I think the new keyboards are really good, there's a lot less travel on each key which makes typing more efficient. Going back to an old keyboard with full travel feels like hammering on a typewriter.

That Matias keyboard, quite frankly, looks like a piece of junk from the G3 iMac era. Apple could build a mechanical keyboard with their characteristic design and build quality. I think the new butterfly switch is useable, but I don't share your enthusiasm. I have not been able to fully adjust to them and I still make typing errors from my fingers sliding off more than I'd like.

> That Matias keyboard, quite frankly, looks like a piece of junk from the G3 iMac era.

But it feels great and wears like iron. Source: I've used one for the past 7 years.

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Post by irrational »

threeseed wrote: post #197
benologist wrote: post #117

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Next year's Mac Pro is up to 18 months away, they made this because that's a long time to leave developer communities discussing Windows and Linux alternatives.

What developers are needing a Mac Pro ? Unless you're doing machine learning and then chances are you're either doing it in the cloud or you already have a specd out white box. Otherwise Macbook Pro has been more than sufficient.

Doesn't that depend on what kind of developer you are? If you are just doing coding then anything that can run your ide and 3-4 browsers will work, but many developers also need to run raster and/or vector software, video software (even though I'm a coder I still have to do image and video work on a fairly regular basis), database software, etc. I have so many tabs open in my browsers that they often are using 4-8 gigs of memory concurrently. My ide often takes up another few gigs of memory. Photoshop takes up quite a bit of memory. I run 2 large monitors off of my computer which takes a bit of processing power. And so forth. In my experience it isn't to hard to push a mackbook pro to its limits.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by dasil003 »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #89
tomduncalf wrote: post #32

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

It sounds like the target audience for the new Mac Pro will be people who can afford to spend $10k on a quad-CPU machine. I'm sure those people will be happy. But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again .

The two big areas Apple missed the plot before were A) failing to do minimal upkeep on their product lines B) redesigning the Mac Pro without consideration for meeting the needs of its target user base and the heat envelope required. These were colossal and humbling failures for Apple's PC business.

The fact that they aren't building commodity-style boxes for hobbyists is very very minor in comparison. The market for these things is shrinking, and it's dominated by price-sensitive people that are not very valuable customers to begin with. If this is what you want, then there's no point in wishful thinking: start looking at Windows / Linux yesterday.

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