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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by pestrov » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:43 PM UTC

gigatexal wrote: post #194

MitjaBezensek wrote: post #190

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The cheapest 5k iMac is $1799, so just the screen is probably closer to $1000.

so say for the imac pro which comes with 32GB ddr4 standard and a 1TB nvme ssd, an 8 core chip, and the higher end panel: 1k for the panel, 750 for the cpu, 200 for the ram, 650 for the ssd (samsung 960 pro?) comes to: 2600 before labor and other overhead. Solid margins there for sure, but I maintain still not a ripoff. As I have earned more in my career (I'm still not wealthy by any means, but I like nice things --…

You forgot the Vega GPU.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by Eric_WVGG » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:43 PM UTC

jarym wrote: post #165

They wouldn't need this rushed excuse for a 'Pro' machine if they hadn't totally taken their eyes off the MacPro for the last 3+ years! It's like they woke up one day and realised 'oh crap people are pissed and when we asked them why we were surprised that we have upset customers because we haven't updated this MacPro thingy in a few years' and then Tim Cook must have decreed 'let's get SOMETHING out there to stop th…

I can't tell if you're being snarky or serious, but 1) the thermal dissipation on a 12-core (or is it 18? I forget) Xeon and a GPU like that is nuts, to fit that into an iMac must have taken years, and 2) you know that Apple prefers all-in-ones and has been wanting to take the industry in this direction for years.

I'd prefer a new version of the cheesegrater too but to suggest that they rushed this together is ludicrous. If anything, it's another reason why the Mac Pro got neglected for so long.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by greedo » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:47 PM UTC

foobarbazetc wrote: post #58

sp332 wrote: post #26

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They mentioned this during the product announcement. It has completely different cooling, with dual centrifugal fans. http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-wwdc-2017-keynote-liveblo... (From the Ars liveblog http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-wwdc-2017-keynote-liveblo... )

Anyone buying a $5000 rev 1 Apple product knows what's going to happen...

The liquid cooled Mac Pro G5 I used to own agrees with you...

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by tambourine_man » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:48 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #189

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #89

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It sounds like the target audience for the new Mac Pro will be people who can afford to spend $10k on a quad-CPU machine. I'm sure those people will be happy. But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again .

I just built a powerful Hackintosh for about $1.5k with Sierra. Was worried about how stable it would be and took good care of researching all the parts that were verified by the community[1]. It's been going good for 3-4 months now. Took some effort to get it all setup but am very happy now. I use this for Video/Photo post-processing, web development mainly. [1] https://www.tonymacx86.com/

Sleep, Bluetooth, Wifi work fine?

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:48 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #197

benologist wrote: post #117

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Next year's Mac Pro is up to 18 months away, they made this because that's a long time to leave developer communities discussing Windows and Linux alternatives.

What developers are needing a Mac Pro ? Unless you're doing machine learning and then chances are you're either doing it in the cloud or you already have a specd out white box. Otherwise Macbook Pro has been more than sufficient.

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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by Shivetya » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:51 PM UTC

tomduncalf wrote: post #32

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

oddly the only issue I am disappointed with the new iMacs is that you cannot get the space gray on the standard line

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by FireBeyond » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:53 PM UTC

astrodust wrote: post #177

ebbv wrote: post #115

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> But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. Yeah that's never going to happen. The Pro iMac starts at $5k. When the Mac Pro does come out it will at least start at that as well, if not higher.

It's not clear if it'll start at $5K. The iMac Pro is a top-tier offering that goes beyond what the already expensive 27" iMac does, and it comes with a screen built-in. The Mac Pro today starts at $3K, so you'll probably see something at the same mark when it does get launched.

Yeah, that's amazingly optimistic, considering the maxed out iMac has a Core i7 processor versus dual(?) Xeons or 18 core Xeon, and 10GbE.

Clarity: "The new iMac Pro will start at $4999 and be available in December."

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by FireBeyond » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:54 PM UTC

shinratdr wrote: post #179

ebbv wrote: post #115

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> But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. Yeah that's never going to happen. The Pro iMac starts at $5k. When the Mac Pro does come out it will at least start at that as well, if not higher.

What makes you think that? A large part of the cost of the iMac is the screen & design. I would expect an entry level new Mac Pro to cost exactly the same or less than every other Mac Pro, so around 3K.

"From $4999".

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by floatboth » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:54 PM UTC

haikuginger wrote: post #184

sz4kerto wrote: post #124

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Yes, I have Xeons in my WS. The reason why many people ended up buying Xeons for the desktop is core count -- i7 had 6, then 8 cores until recently, so a 10-18 core workstation could only be built with Xeons. The other difference is ECC, which most of the people don't necessarily want (let's not talk about whether they need it or not). If a developer/pro/etc. need 18 cores, most of the time they'll be OK with a top-e…

> If a developer/pro/etc. need 18 cores, most of the time they'll be OK with a top-end i7 -- I think. Not if they need ECC RAM - and if you've got enough professional stuff to fill 128GB of RAM, you really, really need ECC RAM.

Ryzen 7: eight cores, ECC support, unbeatable pricing.

(No 128 GB RAM but you're not getting that with a desktop i7 either. Oh and the new HEDT platform that also has "i7"s… not all chips will support quad channel RAM!)

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by dmix » Mon, Jun 05, 2017, 8:55 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #189

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like the target audience for the new Mac Pro will be people who can afford to spend $10k on a quad-CPU machine. I'm sure those people will be happy. But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again .

I just built a powerful Hackintosh for about $1.5k with Sierra. Was worried about how stable it would be and took good care of researching all the parts that were verified by the community[1]. It's been going good for 3-4 months now. Took some effort to get it all setup but am very happy now. I use this for Video/Photo post-processing, web development mainly. [1] https://www.tonymacx86.com/

My concern with this type of set-up is not neccessarily getting it working initially. Clearly you did you research and found parts that were supported.

My concern is upgrading. For people with hackintosh experience what has the longevity experience been like? Do things break each major upgrade? Are things slow moving to get to the latest version?

I'm worried it might be like Linux desktop back in the day. I've found modern Linux to be very stable while using cutting edge versions of Linux. Largely thanks to Archlinux. But I've been interested in having a seperate OSX install for Photoshop and Sketch to have an OS for doing design and having Linux for programming/everything else.