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Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

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Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

#181
post #76

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They are not forcing you to listen to anything. You can a) delete the message or b) change voicemail systems so this does not work. These problems can be mitigated from a technical perspective.

> change voicemail systems so this does not work But if the GOP made prohibiting direct-to-voice-mail illegal you wouldn't be able to do that...

Not going to happen.

Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

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post #125

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When a particular company calls you, just ask to be put on their "do not call" list. Real organizations always seem to honor that list, and there are large fines from the FCC if they don't. (The robocallers described in the article are a different beast, who spoof numbers and pop up under a new identity as soon as they are shut down.)

One of the times I answered I told him to put me on the do-not-call list and the live person said: "FUCK YOUUUUUU" and hung up. My calls increased considerably after that day. Yes I have considered suing many times, but chicken out realizing how much work would be involved. Most of the calls don't ring anymore as I migrated to Google Voice and just turned on Do Not Disturb for everyone. I can read that it's telemarke…

You could always show up to their office IRL and start some shit.

Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

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That's exactly how it works. While I was at Twilio, we figured out how to do it - mostly from a customer abusing the system - and shut them down at the time. The problem was that it wasn't complicated enough that it would take long for others to figure out. The problem I noted at the time is that since we only charged for minutes during the call, the first call - which was dialed and immediately dropped - would never…

I am a big fan of twillio, but I suspect that they or companies like it are contributing to the problem. I would like everyone that uses a telephone API to be required to register a bond. If they are found abusing the system, they will lose the bond and be banned from using ANY companies telephone system. That telephony companies do not take the opportunity fix tbe actual problem makes me think a court may be able to…

Contrary to popular belief, Twilio is not exactly magic. They're great in that they put a simple, easy to understand API, and very low startup friction (painful signup almost more important than cost) to do things you knew were possible, but didn't want to deal with figuring out how to sign up for. They weren't necessarily the first one to do that either.

My point is, there are at least hundreds of providers you can get a voip line from, in addition to the many traditional carriers you could get conventional phone lines from; many of which are not really beholden to the courts of whichever jurisdiction you choose. Getting them all to agree not to provide service to one person is going to be hard; especially with the large networks of reselling resold traffic.

I would love to see some sort of regulation requiring some ability to trace down the origin of calls, though. There should be a way to track back which carriers (and their customers) involved when the recipient would like to press charges against the entity that placed the call (ex: the fraudulent callers from "The Windows" trying to "fix" my computer). There are valid reasons for anonymous calling, so safeguards should be in place, maybe just a star code (feature code) to indicate the last received call was spam, and a caller that generates a large number of reported calls is subject to investigation by the carrier and referral to law enforcement if appropriate.

Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

#185
post #8

The article doesn't describe how the technology works. Due to the slow speed (100 voicemail/min) its likely what they are doing is initiating a call far enough for the phone system to busy out your phone, then very quickly placing a second call that the phone system sends straight to voicemail as your phone is busy. Once this call starts to hit voicemail, the original call is dropped. I doubt phone companies let peop…

If I call my T-Mobile voicemail I can leave a message on someone else's T-Mobile line. Definitely possible.

Voicemail are just other phone numbers, most of the time they are internal to the network though.

Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

#186

Perhaps a shrink-wrap style TOS in my voice mail message? By leaving a message you agree to pay a fee per ringless message?

I have heard that this works legally, but that you have to be willing to take them to small claims court, and good luck getting them to actually pay when you win a judgement against them. (You'll have to hire someone else to actually collect the money from them, and that likely makes it not worth your time and/or money.)

Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

#187
post #47

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Is getting a new number a bad option for you?

I have had several friends and colleagues get new numbers and immediately be hounded by collection agencies looking for the old owner of the number. Some of these collection agencies also stared sending postal mail to their homes based on the linking this new number with their addresses.

It's against the law for collection agencies to call you if you tell them not to.

Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

#188
post #87

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How do you sleep at night?

it's ok. but the issue is randomly calling ppl. not the call itself. at least in germany random/cold calls are forbidden so you can only call people who agreed to it prior.

Opt in or opt out?

Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

#189
post #37

I disabled voicemail a long time ago, never going back. I educated my contacts to retry or send a text, worked well so far.

So what happens when, for example, you're trying to get a home loan to buy a new house, and the loan officer is an older person who doesn't use texts? (This is something real that recently happened to me, and for which a phone and voicemail were indispensable.) I find that while I can do what you suggest for friends and family, there are just enough situations where I can't do that, that I need to still have voicemai…

I disagree, people have used phones without voicemail for decades, they know they can retry. And when I miss a call from an unknown number I can easily look it up if I'm expecting important calls. There are also apps that helps with that, showing who called you even when it's a new number. About robocalls from doctors and pharmacies etc I also manage those comms via email, I take care of telling doctors and pharmacies to give me an electronic prompt, most have a computerized system that does that anyway. There might be people who need voicemail, but I don't buy that it's so common, it's more about people being used to it and not knowing they can turn it off.

Re: Ringless voice mails from telemarketers

#190
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's ok. but the issue is randomly calling ppl. not the call itself. at least in germany random/cold calls are forbidden so you can only call people who agreed to it prior.

Opt in or opt out?

Opt-in, but nobody cares. They will just use your number anyway and, when confronted, claim that you "must have opted in at some point". They will then promise to remove your number from their list and promptly call you again a few days later.
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