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Post by iamatworknow »

executesorder66 wrote: post #379
iamatworknow wrote: post #105

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Facebook and Twitter I get, but you were being angered and stressed by Instagram? It's the only social media I actively use precisely because it's not stressful or rage inducing. I'm into photography so it gives me an outlet that way (even though taking a picture with a real camera, editing it on a computer, then sending it to my phone to post on Instagram is a bit of a pain), and the annoying content from other peop…

I see 0 ads on Instagram. When it first started, I just blocked and reported every account that posted an advert. And I marked every advert as uninteresting (or whatever the function was called) and I haven't seen an Instagram ad in over a year.

The same was true for me until about a week or two ago. These aren't sponsored content that I'm seeing -- it's actual Instagram ads, and I've been marking every one as irrelevant with the hope (in vain) that eventually they'll go away.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by Raphmedia »

EGreg wrote: post #394
Raphmedia wrote: post #198

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> If someone made a new social network like that, I'd sign up today. Make your own. Here's what I did for my local network of friends (who also all hate Facebook). Install Wordpress, add the free Buddypress plugin, purchase $50 BuddyPress theme. Throw on a server. There you go, your own private social network in under a week.

Actually I spent 5 years building a social networking platform to let people design and host their own social networks and apps. And no it isn't as simple as just Wordpress + BuddyPress. https://qbix.com/platform

Awesome! I found buddypress through https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted, perhaps you could have your project added there!

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Post by ikeyany »

wutbrodo wrote: post #278
ikeyany wrote: post #165

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That requires self control and a resilience to peer pressure, things we are encouraged to devalue for the sake of "followers".

FWIW, I've used Facebook for I think 11 years now and I've never once seen anyone refer to or even remotely care about friend count.

It's not necessarily the number of followers people obsess over, it's their validation.

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Post by aethertron »

niftich wrote: post #293

Look, there's no dispute that Facebook is an assault on the 'open web' because it's a walled garden where the data only flows in. In fact, on the HN thread for Gruber's previous post about Google's AMP, I defended [1] some aspects of AMP because at least it tries to be distributed vs. Facebook, and in that post I echo much of what Gruber would later say. But sadly, today's so-called 'open web' is just as much of an a…

>Look, there's no dispute that Facebook is an assault on the 'open web' because it's a walled garden where the data only flows in.

I dispute that. I don't feel like my 'open' WordPress blogs are being attacked by Facebook.

Does Facebook's lack of full-blown openness constitute an attack on anything? I don't think it does.

It seems open web advocates resent that FB successfully competes against their offering. I have a fondness for the open web. I'd rather see us learn from FB, and compete, rather than whine about losing market share.

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Post by dagw »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #50
Tossrock wrote: post #19

I deactivated my Facebook account several months ago, and it's been about 90% great, 10% frustrating. It's great for all the obvious reasons (less timesuck, less compulsion to endlessly scroll your life away, no notification interruptions). The frustrations are real, though. Primarily it's around events and photos. There are some communities I participate in that regularly organize events through Facebook, and now I…

Facebook was great in the early years. No ads, no political spam, no viral garbage, no pictures of what your friend ate for dinner, no psychologically manipulative algorithms. Just people talking to their friends and posting pictures of themselves hanging out. If someone made a new social network like that, I'd sign up today.

If someone made a new social network like that, I'd sign up today

Lots of people have. There was for example Ello a couple of years ago. Me and many of my Facebook friends created accounts, used it for a couple of weeks and slowly kind of ended up back on facebook. Apparently no one else stuck around either since Ello seems to have turned itself into something else.

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Post by reitanqild »

khedoros1 wrote: post #353
wutbrodo wrote: post #277

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> If you bought a nice meal, I fail to see the point in showing it off, unless you are specifically saying "wow, this place has great food!". I don't understand your comment at all. What else would you be saying when you show a picture of nice food other than "this food is great"? I'm not in the habit of posting food photos but I've never understood the hysteria around it on places like HN.

"Look at the taste that I have, in choosing this experience for myself", or "Look what I'm doing right now!"

"Look at the taste that I have, in choosing this experience for myself"

I cannot remember thinking that about others but maybe I don't follow the same people as you.

"Look what I'm doing right now!"

Isn't this just like a smaller version of Show HN?

I mean: you make something, you post it and someone else chimes in with ideas or (hopefully) constructive criticism?

Is there any reason that I cannot see why making food isn't a form of making that we can be proud of?

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Post by smichel17 »

niftich wrote: post #293

Look, there's no dispute that Facebook is an assault on the 'open web' because it's a walled garden where the data only flows in. In fact, on the HN thread for Gruber's previous post about Google's AMP, I defended [1] some aspects of AMP because at least it tries to be distributed vs. Facebook, and in that post I echo much of what Gruber would later say. But sadly, today's so-called 'open web' is just as much of an a…

> Until recently, the only way to avoid this was to spin off a clean incognito session in a browser running only one window, then close it after every pageview.

What other solution are you implying by "until recently"?

> Who does that? Short of a very particular few, no one.

I'm probably one of the particular few, but I've found it very painless to

1) Install and use firefox's containers experiment 2) Install the "private tab" addon 3) In about:config, remap to open a new private tab

Now new tabs are private by default (although they share cookies within a browser session), and if I want to keep cookies or history I open a new container tab... with nearly zero change in my workflow.

Apologies for lack of links; I'm on mobile.

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Post by cheaprentalyeti »

Cozumel wrote: post #97

I think this is more an indictment that people don't actually know how to use FB. YOU control what you want to see and who you interact with, spending to much time there? Take charge of your own life and click off. Seeing something you don't want to see? Hide it. It's not rocket science. Personally I get a great deal of value from it. It's a tool like any other, but you have to know how to use it.

I stopped using Facebook when they made it too hard to control what-you-want-to-see-and-interact-with, myself.

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Post by ciex »

dagw wrote: post #415
gthtjtkt wrote: post #50

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Facebook was great in the early years. No ads, no political spam, no viral garbage, no pictures of what your friend ate for dinner, no psychologically manipulative algorithms. Just people talking to their friends and posting pictures of themselves hanging out. If someone made a new social network like that, I'd sign up today.

If someone made a new social network like that, I'd sign up today Lots of people have. There was for example Ello a couple of years ago. Me and many of my Facebook friends created accounts, used it for a couple of weeks and slowly kind of ended up back on facebook. Apparently no one else stuck around either since Ello seems to have turned itself into something else.

Ello didn't feel like a personal space for me. Its sleek design screams 'present yourself, show me what you've got'.

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Post by sirfz »

Jaruzel wrote: post #385
sirfz wrote: post #285

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That's very helpful, thanks!

There's also https://touch.facebook.com for the not-quite-as-light-as-mbasic version.

wow used to use this one before having the app back in the day, good to know it still exists and a perfect alternative for m.facebook.com with messenger support.
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