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Facebook is an attack on the open web

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Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#11
I have a feeling that Facebook will be on the decline. My teenagers and early-20 year-olds and their friends (not just local, but all over the US) think Facebook is for old people. I actually heard a 16 year old recently giving a speech where he mentioned Snapchat Stories, then, as an aside, said, "That's like Facebook or Pintrest for you old people."

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#13
>> Facebook going out of business seems unlikely

Is it? Because it seems to me that they are having plenty of issues with gaining the trust of advertisers too. Considering that advertising is the bread and butter of their business, this would normally be something of a mini-crisis.

A quick search for "do advertisers trust facebook" gives me

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/12/facebook-needs-accountabil...

https://venturebeat.com/2017/02/10/facebook-verification-ad-...

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/01/31/will-facebook-chip-aw...

http://www.adageindia.in/digital/40-of-marketers-say-they-pl...

http://marketingland.com/facebooks-measurement-errors-impact...

Of course, no one actually believes anything Facebook says with regards to privacy, and probably never did.

I would seriously doubt if there is anyone who actually looks at their practices who doesn't think they conduct large scale psychological experiments on the human lab rats who continue to use FB.

In other words, seems like there are enough ingredients here for an implosion. Something has to give.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#14
You've ever been to one of those pages that embed Facebook's comment engine? Yeah, those are the worst. I did some analysis on a random page with just three Facebook comments. Requests to Facebook's servers accounted for 1.5 MB of the 2.4 MB tranfered by the ENTIRE page. 87 network requests, 35 javascript files injected and it didn't even load all the comments! (I had to click on a "Load more comments" button to load the rest of the comments.)

Why the hell do you need 37 javascript files and 1.5 MB to load three comments?

(Shameless plug to my own open source, lightweight and tracking-free comment engine alternative to Facebook, Disqus and the rest: https://github.com/adtac/commento)

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#15
post #12

I deleted my facebook account in highschool and have never looked back. The melodrama and immature antics are hilarious to observe, I'm so glad that I'm not a part of all that.

Another way to say that is "I'm glad I'm not in high school anymore" ;)

I'd say what you're describing isn't symptomatic of Facebook, but of the relationships themselves. For the most part my Facebook feed is comprised of 30-somethings and melodrama basically doesn't exist. Political rants, on the other hand...

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#16

I have a feeling that Facebook will be on the decline. My teenagers and early-20 year-olds and their friends (not just local, but all over the US) think Facebook is for old people. I actually heard a 16 year old recently giving a speech where he mentioned Snapchat Stories, then, as an aside, said, "That's like Facebook or Pintrest for you old people."

Isn't Instagram still quite popular with teenagers and can search engines index pictures from Instagram?

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#17

>> Facebook going out of business seems unlikely Is it? Because it seems to me that they are having plenty of issues with gaining the trust of advertisers too. Considering that advertising is the bread and butter of their business, this would normally be something of a mini-crisis. A quick search for "do advertisers trust facebook" gives me https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/12/facebook-needs-accountabil... https://ventu…

> Considering that advertising is the bread and butter of their business, this would normally be something of a mini-crisis.

It would, if there were an alternative.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#18
post #14

You've ever been to one of those pages that embed Facebook's comment engine? Yeah, those are the worst. I did some analysis on a random page with just three Facebook comments. Requests to Facebook's servers accounted for 1.5 MB of the 2.4 MB tranfered by the ENTIRE page. 87 network requests, 35 javascript files injected and it didn't even load all the comments! (I had to click on a "Load more comments" button to load…

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Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#19
I deactivated my Facebook account several months ago, and it's been about 90% great, 10% frustrating. It's great for all the obvious reasons (less timesuck, less compulsion to endlessly scroll your life away, no notification interruptions).

The frustrations are real, though. Primarily it's around events and photos. There are some communities I participate in that regularly organize events through Facebook, and now I don't really get invited to those anymore. It's also harder to organize events where you casually invite people you don't know as well.

It's also occasionally annoying not being able to dig up a certain photo you wanted for reference. Even if you have a copy of the photo somewhere, if you don't have it hosted online then you can't really bring it up to show it to someone.

Still, frustrations aside, it's 90% great, and I recommend everyone try it for themselves.

Re: Facebook is an attack on the open web

#20
post #12

I deleted my facebook account in highschool and have never looked back. The melodrama and immature antics are hilarious to observe, I'm so glad that I'm not a part of all that.

I took the route with facebook, just like in real life, that I culled out the people who are immature and melodramatic. But if I ever get the hankering for some melodrama, I can count on the inevitable "I deleted facebook" replies to any post about Facebook. :-)
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