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Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by ashark »

melling wrote: post #274
ashark wrote: post #255

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Those are host devices. My wife's and my external CD/DVD burner, USB DAC, Arduino, external hard drives, iPhone 7 Plus, two iPads, half-dozen flash USB drives, various controllers, external keyboards and mice, wireless non-Bluetooth mouse adapters, laser printer, et c., et c will mostly still be working just fine in 2 years, and all connect over USB-A. I'm guessing I'll only have one or two USB-C things by then unles…

Why are you telling me what people have in 2017? No one is saying that USB-C is the standard now. Although in thin laptops it will be the standard this year. I'll be using my "legacy" USB stuff until it dies too. The point is that market is starting to adopt USB-C, and everyone should be ready for the transition. I want a future port on my new computers, which will have a 5-10 year lifespan. USB-A would be nice too,…

Because the question was:

> What connector do you think you'll need in two years, five years, 10 years?

And my answers were USB-A, both, and USB-C (but probably also whatever replaces it), respectively.

Your response to my answer was to tell me that lots of host devices are shipping with USB-C, which has no effect whatsoever on my answer (which I expect is typical, even of people on HN). I thought you must not understand that a bunch of host devices supporting USB-C barely has any effect on what I'll be plugging into my computers for the next few years, since you responded that way, so I gave an (incomplete) list of my USB-A devices which will almost all still be working in 2 years, and most of them in 5, and also, incidentally, a complete list of my USB-C devices (none).

USB-A is hands-down the more useful port to me for the next few years. USB-C is a nice bonus for future-proofing but has zero immediate utility, and will still have little or none in 2 years. Just answering the question.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by zghst »

binarycrusader wrote: post #263
zghst wrote: post #232

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MS built out an entire hardware line that mimics Apple's hardware line and then put up counter points to Mac alongside each competing Apple product. It is obvious and Microsoft's collective ego shows. It is a very late response to Apple's old campaign, they have moved on completely.

Mimics? At last check, none of Apple's laptops had full touch screens or supported a stylus. If you're talking about design or style, you might be able to argue that.

You are talking about features. Not the products themselves. Tablet. Laptop. Convertible (in-between). There usage and perception is the same. There is no defining feature that make them different. They go after the same market, that is the key.

None of these products (Surface) really matter because Microsoft is just buying time and expertise with the Surface line. HoloLens will change everything, as soon as it drops. Microsoft will be working furiously to spin down the Surface line and ramp up its new platform. It is the gold key. We don't always have our phone in our hands but imagine you have these lenses on all the time to help you experience a deeper world.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by dingo_bat »

Analemma_ wrote: post #82

I'm interested to see if the claims of ~20ms latency on the pen hold up in reviews. That's less than half of the latency of the Apple Pencil and within spitting distance of the 10ms considered to be the holy grail of imperceptibility. I could never get into pen-based input because the latency drove me nuts, but may have to rethink that.

Apple pencil was never touted as having particularly low latency. On the other hand surface devices have always made a point of having the best touch/stylus experience, so I won't be surprised if that 20ms really holds good.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by stunod »

Helmet wrote: post #110

How is this a functional laptop? And I'm being dead serious here and 100% literal - how do I work with this machine while it's on my lap? It looks like it would be a real pain in the ass to do so, with the "Kickstand" and all.

there's a separate keyboard you can buy that makes it "lapable" https://www.brydgekeyboards.com/products/brydge-12-3

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by JoshGlazebrook »

lmm wrote: post #203
maxxxxx wrote: post #189

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I don't understand why they create these bundles. Why not let me choose CPU, RAM and disk separately?

They do it because customers find it simpler, and because it makes it easier to keep all the models in stock.

They should be able to have bundles, but also have an advanced option for customization of everything.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by rch »

wakkaflokka wrote: post #142
rch wrote: post #105

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Dell Precision 5520 looks like the best machine out right now, among the larger/higher-performing options.

Looking for a hybrid though (tablet mode), doesn't look like Precision does that? Otherwise that'd be a solid choice.

A 15" tablet? The 3520 and 7520 have optional touch displays.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by AlphaSite »

iaskwhy wrote: post #114
nailer wrote: post #41

One import thing with all Surface laptops that most people don't know: > Support is limited to the country you purchased the device in. Eg: - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. - If you buy a Microsoft laptop, and need a warranty repair done in a different country, Microsoft won't help you. I purchased a Surface Book (which I love) in a Micr…

"If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are." This can be misleading. I bought my Macbook Air in Portugal, had 2y warranty there. Then moved to the UK and the brick stopped working. Went to an Apple Store and since it was after the 1y warranty offered when you buy it in the UK, they rejected replacing it for me. Eventually went to Portugal to visit m…

In the UK it's 5 years, so even then.

Re: New Surface Pro

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Post by AlphaSite »

passive wrote: post #166
nailer wrote: post #41

One import thing with all Surface laptops that most people don't know: > Support is limited to the country you purchased the device in. Eg: - If you buy an Apple laptop, and need a repair, they'll fix it if it's in warranty, regardless of where you are. - If you buy a Microsoft laptop, and need a warranty repair done in a different country, Microsoft won't help you. I purchased a Surface Book (which I love) in a Micr…

This is not correct. My employer is in New Jersey, I'm in Canada. They purchased me a Surface Pro 3 at my request, and I've never had a problem getting support directly from Microsoft, including 2 48-hour replacements.

It could be like HTCs support, the Vive is only supported in the region in which it was purchased, US, Europe, Asia, etc.
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