I would really love one but need to be able to use something on my lap when I'm on the couch.
Think I may go for an XPS 13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aSht_ssls
New Surface Pro
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Re: New Surface Pro
#182> The most versatile laptop. ...that doesn't ship with a keyboard (pen isn't included either). No USB-C. 16GB RAM maximum.
haha... you're right. How do you call something you cannot use on your lap (even with the keyboard attachment) a laptop?
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying that 16 GB isn't enough?
It absolutely isn't. I'm a C++ programmer working in games industry, my work machine has 64GB and all our work-issued laptops are 32GB(which is not enough to actually start local servers of our game, so doing any mobile work is quite limiting). why does this apply here: because I can easily imagine artists using this to modify some assets and trying to run the game to see what they look like, but with 16GB of ram the…
But even if Microsoft put 64GB of RAM in the surface pro, it still wouldn't be the right machine for the job you're describing.
Re: New Surface Pro
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying that 16 GB isn't enough?
It absolutely isn't. I'm a C++ programmer working in games industry, my work machine has 64GB and all our work-issued laptops are 32GB(which is not enough to actually start local servers of our game, so doing any mobile work is quite limiting). why does this apply here: because I can easily imagine artists using this to modify some assets and trying to run the game to see what they look like, but with 16GB of ram the…
Well then this isn't the laptop for you. Me neither, but I'm sure e.g. web devs would be fine. Can't make a machine for everyone. Look at the form factor, obviously it's not trying to be a behemoth gaming laptop.
Re: New Surface Pro
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying that 16 GB isn't enough?
It absolutely isn't. I'm a C++ programmer working in games industry, my work machine has 64GB and all our work-issued laptops are 32GB(which is not enough to actually start local servers of our game, so doing any mobile work is quite limiting). why does this apply here: because I can easily imagine artists using this to modify some assets and trying to run the game to see what they look like, but with 16GB of ram the…
if you need to work on assets that won't work well with 16GB of RAM then the Surface Pro is probably not the right choice..
It competes with an iPad Pro etc which don't even offer a full desktop. The surface runs a full Windows with Photoshop and Unity Game Engine if you want, and with the i7 and 16GB would run that pretty well.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
What connector do you think you'll need in two years, five years, 10 years? The transition to USB-C has begun. For most of the life of the device, you'll probably want USB-C. I'm sure Microsoft will get to it in the next release.
> two years USB-A. > five years Both—not having either will mean tons of dongles. > 10 years? USB-C. [EDIT] actually the 10-year will probably be "some other stupid new connector, with USB-C dongles"
USB-C is already shipping on cheap desktops, a lot of smartphones, and many laptops. In two years Apple won't ship any computers with USB-A. USB-C has arrived:
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who in hell does run a game server on a laptop, and outside office? by the way the integrated graphics are real shit in this laptop, better go get a MSI or something. This PC's are clearly not for high end work, it's just Macbook Pro kind of "pro". PD: I think if you're running the whole map on the RAM you're doing something wrong.
Which AAA game company do you work for?
Learn-Not-To-Waste-Resources Studios.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not sure if you are trying to be funny or if you are an arrogant prick.
What's so taboo about creating things under the constraints of machines that everyday people own? The best engineers are always the most resourceful and focused.
It's entirely unnecessary?
TEST things under the constraints of machines that people own. Multiple people have given multiple reasons why there are better ways to do things. I read another recently talking about being able to capture all the game state for debugging, too.
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#189I've been waiting for this for a while (despite being a Mac user for years and years). And it doesn't quite compute (ba dum tss). Two reasons really. 1. No USB-C. 2. If I want 16 gigs of RAM, I need to opt for an i7 and half a terabyte of SSD. I wish I could just go for an i5 with 256 gigs of storage and 16 gigs of RAM. That would be sweet (and not as expensive). Too bad, let's see what others come up with.
I don't understand why they create these bundles. Why not let me choose CPU, RAM and disk separately?
Re: New Surface Pro
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
It vastly depends on your work flow. If you are like me and just using editor, browser, small LEMP stack, git, gulp, ssh and some other small tools then you are fine and 16GB is plenty but when you start doing virtualisation, docker instances, data crunching, in memory dbs etc. then suddenly 16GB doesn't look like much.
Yes, but this "laptops" are set to use cpu in burst mode. So if you run servers like docker and VMs etc (like I do on my SP4) you often hit the burst limit and the cpu throttle's right back down. I've taken to using an external usb fan to get extra speed.
If you run servers then SP4 is not for you. Choose proper tool for your job. SP contrary to its name is not pro at all, it just looks professional but if you want to do serious work you need serious horse power.