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Get your loved ones off Facebook

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Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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For anyone looking for an alternative right now, there's https://postbelt.com - a text-only social network that's built around privacy, and has no ads.

It charges a (small) monthly subscription over a certain number of connections, making you the customer rather than the product.

If it sounds interesting, please check it out (it's a side project of mine).

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

#242
Shadow Profiles: shouldn't they be disallowed/illegal?

The fact that I am not on facebook, means that I am not even covered by the privacy of their ToS.

Anyone who knows me, ends up exposing my information and privacy, which I have not consented to.

How does that make sense? The only way I can deal with this intrusion, is to open myself up further and get on Facebook?

I'm unsure how to parse the rights and restrictions here

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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It won't be a popular opinion here but here it goes: Well if it all goes to hell we will all be in the same handbasket. I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. All these distributed platforms are a joke, no really they are technically cool but no one I care about is on them. Maybe if your entire social c…

>I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life I've never understood this reasoning If you require Facebook to keep people in your life are they really in your life in the first place?

I've never understood your reasoning.

"If you require email to keep people in your life are they really in your life in the first place"

"If you require a telephone to keep people in your life are they really in your life in the first place"

"If you need to send letters to keep people in your life are they really in your life in the first place"

For me Facebook is my go to in messaging and events discovery/organisation and it is a genuine value add which I do not want to give up. Just yesterday I organised a party - the invite is on Facebook because every single person I see regularly has it and gives me a simple way to see who is going and contact them, and for my other guests to see the invite list and interact with each other/make plans around it.

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. The military has secrets, but should have no privacy. Same with the government. Privacy is the opposite of transparency. We can have secrets while we know exactly what we are keeping secret, such as Private Keys and passwords. Secrets do not hinder transparency.

"We can have secrets while we know exactly what we are keeping secret" I'm not sure that's true. You might think you know what I'm doing in the bathroom. I don't think privacy and secrecy are truly separate things.

>You might think you know what I'm doing in the bathroom.

Well, even for the times that I know EXACTLY what are you doing (e.g. because I saw you gulp down 10 big Macs and a box of laxatives before rushing to the bathroom) you still want privacy.

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

#245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no secrets in the bathroom analogy. We all know what you're doing in there (or have a 50% chance at guessing). But you still want privacy.

The point they are trying to prove is that there is no way of knowing what happens in the bathroom. It is theoretically equivalent to secrecy

In the real world, though, 99% of the time, we DO know. And even if we don't know exactly, we can narrow it very closely. We either shit, take a bath, masturebate or whatever. We still want privacy of any of those things.

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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post #138

It won't be a popular opinion here but here it goes: Well if it all goes to hell we will all be in the same handbasket. I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. All these distributed platforms are a joke, no really they are technically cool but no one I care about is on them. Maybe if your entire social c…

But what's the advantage of Facebook over email and/or texting? I feel like for anything other than wasting time Facebook is sluggish compared to either. If you're a Facebook user you have a cellphone and/or a computer, and can do everything Facebook does: share pictures, plan events, check-in with friends, family, and groups of people. And not share data* or be peppered with garbage advertisements. * I personally pa…

> But what's the advantage of Facebook over email and/or texting?

Discoverability. Facebook has it inside the app. Email and texting require you to go out of band for it.

It's impossible to exaggerate the value of this. Groups of people who had lost contact in high school have gotten back in touch in retirement, planned trips, and traveled to a place to meet up together because Facebook has in-band discoverability. Before Facebook such a group of people would just hope someone in the group had enough time and patience to manually track everyone else down, which was probably hundreds of dollars of their time wasted.

Musicians find gigs through it. Friends of friends are leaky so you don't even have to bother people to find useful connections or fan pages. Businesses list specials, trips, blogs, etc. Way cheaper than sending out a snail mail newsletter or even managing an email list.

All Facebook's users save oodles of time connecting with acquaintances and making new connections, for whatever reasons they wish to connect.

Honestly, it's an incredibly difficult question to answer fully because I'm not sure where the short circuit is. Why do you see value in messaging protocols but not social networks?

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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It won't be a popular opinion here but here it goes: Well if it all goes to hell we will all be in the same handbasket. I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. All these distributed platforms are a joke, no really they are technically cool but no one I care about is on them. Maybe if your entire social c…

> ... that someone is hiding something if they don't have one.

We all have something to hide. It's called privacy.

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

#248

It won't be a popular opinion here but here it goes: Well if it all goes to hell we will all be in the same handbasket. I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. All these distributed platforms are a joke, no really they are technically cool but no one I care about is on them. Maybe if your entire social c…

One of the things that got me to leave was how crappy facebook has gotten for actual communication. This part of the post really resonated with me > If you’ve ever had that conversation, you’ve noticed that there’s a big disconnect between your expectations when you communicate on Facebook and what really happens. Basically, Facebook filters out your posts based on whether or not people will use Facebook more if they…

For actual communication (messaging) it is actually one of the best. It is fast, reliable, and has genuinely great value adds like group messaging, encrypted messages, expiring messages and photos, location sharing, rich attatchments, seen notifications, integration with facebook profiles means I can find anyone (who has a profile) even if I don't have their contact details.

Sure the app is a bit heavy with features I don't personally use (stickers, chat heads, games, stories) but it's at the point where it's easily the best messaging client I've used.

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

#249
Facebook's business model counts on erosion of privacy. This means their whole purpose of being is to constantly erode privacy as this means higher revenue for them.

This puts us at a dangerous trajectory as long as Facebook is allowed to grow its business unchecked.

Re: Get your loved ones off Facebook

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It won't be a popular opinion here but here it goes: Well if it all goes to hell we will all be in the same handbasket. I'm simply not willing to cut people out of my life and miss out on things that are important to me because my data is mined and might be used against me. All these distributed platforms are a joke, no really they are technically cool but no one I care about is on them. Maybe if your entire social c…

You don't have to delete facebook. You can try to minimize or stop supplying new info to them (stop posting, disable news feed, and use Facebook primarily for direct chats).
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