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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by jfabre »

debaserab2 wrote: post #74
jfabre wrote: post #44

It's so stupid that you can downvote someone when you disagree with him/her on HN. Totally makes the whole website an echo chamber.

I think people are getting a little tired of the Seth Rich conspiracy claims with nothing but circumstantial evidence. It's becoming some kind of rallying cry for trump supporters (who still can't seem to drop the hillary conspiracies for some reason) and what's especially annoying about it is people seem to be taking it as de facto truth despite no real evidence to back up the claim. So I don't think this as much ab…

I agree with you, but I could say the exact same thing on the "Russia hacked the election" conspiracy. And yet, if you do a search on HN, people who get down-voted and flagged are those who don't support the theory.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by angry-hacker »

beaconstudios wrote: post #12
pavel_lishin wrote: post #2

I hope she's alright after this; there might be people literally gunning for her, even if she wasn't trans.

I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

But he was not a whistleblower, there was nothing important to leak besides bunch of state's secrets. The leaks held no value.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by arglebarnacle »

beaconstudios wrote: post #12
pavel_lishin wrote: post #2

I hope she's alright after this; there might be people literally gunning for her, even if she wasn't trans.

I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

You might be surprised at how dangerous it is to be trans. Wikipedia maintains a list of unlawfully killed trans people at this page[1]

I guess there are more trans people than informants so maybe there's some statistical point to be made there, but frankly I'm not sure why you picked this nit to begin with. I think it's important to recognize, rather than downplay the risks faced by marginalized groups in the US and elsewhere.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_tran...

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by badosu »

angry-hacker wrote: post #112
beaconstudios wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

But he was not a whistleblower, there was nothing important to leak besides bunch of state's secrets. The leaks held no value.

Didn't she disclose the information on the video 'Collateral Murder' that was subsequently subject to a FOIA request?

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by IanDrake »

TheGirondin wrote: post #97
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, many of the people that need convincing with regards to net neutrality and online rights also view her as a traitor with mental problems and thus "normal, patriotic Americans" should not worry about these things, except to prevent "liberals" from creating more "regulations" for companies and putting up barriers to keep our law enforcement from finding the "terrorists'" plans.

This comment is so loaded with strawmen and vitriol I don't think it meets our communities comment guidelines.

It's really not. Some people do feel this way and pointing it out isn't vitriol.

The worst thing that can happen to a cause is some crazy jackass being held up by the media as the spokesperson.

I was on board for the tea party until the media grabbed a few nut bags and made them the de facto spokespeople for the cause. It was purely about limited government until it got co-opted.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by fixermark »

Unbeliever69 wrote: post #7

Hopefully, she doesn't disappear, but uses her popularity to stand up and fight for what she believes.

It's honestly up to her. One could easily argue that in the cause of freedom, she's already (literally) done her time; someone else's turn to step up.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by SteveGerencser »

falcolas wrote: post #105
TheGirondin wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is so loaded with strawmen and vitriol I don't think it meets our communities comment guidelines.

Yes, but it's still true, as my own conversations with conservative in-laws shows.

And in my case, quite false as a conservative with many conservative friends that disagree with your anecdote. This is always the problem, personal anecdotes rarely equal data.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by chocolatebunny »

rosalinekarr wrote: post #3

This is long overdue. Chelsea will probably be doing interviews soon, and since [she's already been pretty outspoken about internet freedoms][1], she may even bring some much needed attention to issues like net neutrality, government surveillance and the never ending erosion of our online rights. Let's hope the media doesn't tear her apart. [1]: https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/847264510247190532

No one is going to ask her anything about net neutrality. They'll ask her how she was treated, what she's going to do next and how she feels about the previous and current administration. She'll say something mildly negative about Trump. Trump will tweet about it, and everyone will start talking about Trump's tweet.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by asdfGUYasdfn »

I'm not sure why people feel so sympathetic to the stealing of classified material and giving them effectively to foreign intelligence services is still a socially acceptable practice. Bradley Edward Manning should have found himself at the end of a noose, as much as Edward Snowden should have. Liberal or not, if you look outside of these borders of the United States ... they both provided material to everyone from ISIS to Iran to China to Russia to every terrorist with half a brain to leverage against our sovereignty. I don't want to pull a 9/11 reference here - but if it's OK to kill 3,000+ people by proxy .. then be my guest and idolize people like this. However, myself ... I will call it what it is - treason.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by fixermark »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #98

As far as I'm concerned this is the first thing that Obama did that was a real progressive act. Thank God he did this. If only he did the same for Snowden.

It's unlikely Snowden will ever get a pardon.

Functional governments have a vested interest in not forgiving blatant disregard for their laws, regardless of the morality of the acts that led to the disregard. It's possible (but probably unlikely) that he could have been pardoned, found innocent, or had a sentence commuted had he turned himself in, but escaping the reach of American justice? There's very little incentive for a country to reward "Break the law then run from our jurisdiction," independent of the details.

Snowden's successfully attained a life probably free of American legal influence. His reward is a life free of American legal influence.

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