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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by CiPHPerCoder » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:45 PM UTC

404_not_found wrote: post #84

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Extremely rare and almost exclusive leftists killing people on the right. Interesting claim. I'm not sure many people on the left killed doctors for performing abortions, for example. That was mostly "pro life" conservatives, from what I recall. Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. Chelsea Manning is free. This is cause for celebration.

> Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. He said, /after/ conveniently inserting partisan opinion and contradicting himself.

It wasn't a contradiction. I said "we" in my question.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by smnscu » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:48 PM UTC

lojack wrote: post #31

grandalf wrote: post #25

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While I'm very pleased that President Obama commuted the sentence of Ms. Manning, I'm also disappointed that he did not do more to change the policy about classifying information that allows classification to be used as a form of propaganda (by classifying the stuff that contradicts the message we're meant to believe about a war).

Don't mean to be a pendant, but he didn't pardon her. Officially her punishment was commuted. The former forgives the crime and the latter simply reduces the penalty for the crime.

Don't mean to be pedantic, but the word is pedant (a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning), not pendant (a piece of jewellery that hangs from a chain worn round the neck).

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by jfabre » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:51 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #82

jfabre wrote: post #71

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All right, is wikileaks also doing that for political reasons? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/10/wikileaks-offers-... . And we're supposed to trust that the family actually knows what really happened?

> All right, is wikileaks also doing that for political reasons? Quite possibly. After all, they're against leaks when they're aimed at Trump: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817322050297745408 > And we're supposed to trust that the family actually knows what really happened? The supposed bombshell yesterday fell apart, as conspiracy theories tend to do.

Thanks for taking the time to reply to me and not just down-voting. I'm actually learning what your point of view on the story is.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by MK999 » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:52 PM UTC

fsloth wrote: post #11

pavel_lishin wrote: post #2

I hope she's alright after this; there might be people literally gunning for her, even if she wasn't trans.

I don't think political murders targeting individuals are that common in the US. Or am I completely wrong?

Depends on how you interpret conspiracy theories.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by skrause » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:54 PM UTC

btbuildem wrote: post #83

> She was released from United States Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas around 3 a.m. 3am?! A parting kick to the head, or a ploy to avoid publicity?

If you were to be released on the 17th, would you rather go at 3 am or 10 pm?

I would like to go as early as possible. 3 am is not as good as immediately at midnight, but I wouldn't consider it a kick to the head.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by pvg » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:55 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #27

fsloth wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think political murders targeting individuals are that common in the US. Or am I completely wrong?

How would one know? Because of the media, power balances, legalities etc of US life, they obviously wouldn't be doing them in an open Third World/Banana Republic style (where, depending on the country/political climate, the state doesn't hesitate much to semi-openly get rid of enemies and more or less everybody knows they did it).

How would one know?

Because people who would be targets of political murders don't die at a statistically unusual rate. Unless you think they are also being secretly replaced with more pliant clones/cyborgs or we are all just copied over to a less unruly simulation. Then it would be harder to know.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by TheGirondin » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:57 PM UTC

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #46

rosalinekarr wrote: post #3

This is long overdue. Chelsea will probably be doing interviews soon, and since [she's already been pretty outspoken about internet freedoms][1], she may even bring some much needed attention to issues like net neutrality, government surveillance and the never ending erosion of our online rights. Let's hope the media doesn't tear her apart. [1]: https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/847264510247190532

Unfortunately, many of the people that need convincing with regards to net neutrality and online rights also view her as a traitor with mental problems and thus "normal, patriotic Americans" should not worry about these things, except to prevent "liberals" from creating more "regulations" for companies and putting up barriers to keep our law enforcement from finding the "terrorists'" plans.

This comment is so loaded with strawmen and vitriol I don't think it meets our communities comment guidelines.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by pfarnsworth » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:57 PM UTC

As far as I'm concerned this is the first thing that Obama did that was a real progressive act. Thank God he did this. If only he did the same for Snowden.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by snakeboy » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:57 PM UTC

404_not_found wrote: post #84

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Extremely rare and almost exclusive leftists killing people on the right. Interesting claim. I'm not sure many people on the left killed doctors for performing abortions, for example. That was mostly "pro life" conservatives, from what I recall. Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. Chelsea Manning is free. This is cause for celebration.

> Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. He said, /after/ conveniently inserting partisan opinion and contradicting himself.

He was rebutting the claim of the previous commenter that these political murders are carried out exclusively by "leftists".

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by TheGirondin » Wed, May 17, 2017, 2:59 PM UTC

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #24

datatan wrote: post #18

Extremely rare and almost exclusive leftists killing people on the right. Like the JFK assassination (JFK was a conservative)

> Extremely rare and almost exclusive leftists killing people on the right. Interesting claim. I'm not sure many people on the left killed doctors for performing abortions, for example. That was mostly "pro life" conservatives, from what I recall. Why are we even talking about this? Partisan politics isn't relevant. Chelsea Manning is free. This is cause for celebration.

I am genuinely curious why you think it is cause for celebration that bratty solider who made a massive blind data dump of classified information to sabotage the US military had their punishment drastically reduced.