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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by algesten »

DamnYuppie wrote: post #34
loeg wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's totally relevant. Trans people experience attacks at a much higher rate than the background population.

Can you please provide some data to support this? I am unaware of any crime statistic that has transgender as an attribute. It is very easy to make broad sweeping statements like yours but to be taken seriously the majority of people prefer data to support those accusations.

https://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_numbers.html

first that came up when searching for it.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by ceejayoz »

DamnYuppie wrote: post #34
loeg wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's totally relevant. Trans people experience attacks at a much higher rate than the background population.

Can you please provide some data to support this? I am unaware of any crime statistic that has transgender as an attribute. It is very easy to make broad sweeping statements like yours but to be taken seriously the majority of people prefer data to support those accusations.

https://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_numbers.html

> Statistics documenting transgender people's experience of sexual violence indicate shockingly high levels of sexual abuse and assault. One in two transgender individuals are sexually abused or assaulted at some point in their lives. Some reports estimate that transgender survivors may experience rates of sexual assault up to 66 percent, often coupled with physical assaults or abuse. This indicates that the majority of transgender individuals are living with the aftermath of trauma and the fear of possible repeat victimization.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by CiPHPerCoder »

myaccountzz wrote: post #43
CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple: A person's gender is a part of their personal identity. Chelsea Manning says that their gender is female, even if their biological sex is male. As a consequence of respect for their personal identity as a member of society (and NOT fixating on their sex organs, which is frankly creepy), most people will refer to a trans* person as the gender they identify as, not the sex they were born with. Or, if uncertain…

> Simple: A person's gender is a part of their personal identity. That's an opinion.

That's actually a fact.

Gender is defined as: the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

For most people, your gender and your sex are congruent. For others, it isn't.

Even if you don't agree: Why do you care?

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by hashtagMERKY »

myaccountzz wrote: post #48
gpm wrote: post #36

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Debating whether they are male or female seems rather pointless to me, it's a question of definitions. If they want to be referred to as a she, I don't see that it costs us anything to comply with their desire though... so I do.

So if I told you to address me as a King, you'd do that too?

That's a bit of a false equivalence, really. There's no good reason why someone should call you King, but Chelsea Manning's gender identity is female, so it makes sense to refer to her as female.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by dmix »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #46
rosalinekarr wrote: post #3

This is long overdue. Chelsea will probably be doing interviews soon, and since [she's already been pretty outspoken about internet freedoms][1], she may even bring some much needed attention to issues like net neutrality, government surveillance and the never ending erosion of our online rights. Let's hope the media doesn't tear her apart. [1]: https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/847264510247190532

Unfortunately, many of the people that need convincing with regards to net neutrality and online rights also view her as a traitor with mental problems and thus "normal, patriotic Americans" should not worry about these things, except to prevent "liberals" from creating more "regulations" for companies and putting up barriers to keep our law enforcement from finding the "terrorists'" plans.

Effecting change still takes time and effort. That requires people putting the time in, regardless if they themselves aren't a persuasive spokesperson with a mainstream audience. There's much work to be done to push the ideas out to a wider audience.

For one thing she is certainly more credible not being in prison.

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Post by CaptSpify »

myaccountzz wrote: post #48
gpm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debating whether they are male or female seems rather pointless to me, it's a question of definitions. If they want to be referred to as a she, I don't see that it costs us anything to comply with their desire though... so I do.

So if I told you to address me as a King, you'd do that too?

No, because being a King would be inaccurate. It is a position with political and social power, which you don't have.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by gpm »

myaccountzz wrote: post #48
gpm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debating whether they are male or female seems rather pointless to me, it's a question of definitions. If they want to be referred to as a she, I don't see that it costs us anything to comply with their desire though... so I do.

So if I told you to address me as a King, you'd do that too?

No, since that implies a certain amount of respect and deference to you over other people that I don't have. But if Tom told me to call him John instead I certainly would...

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by ceejayoz »

myaccountzz wrote: post #30
jfabre wrote: post #19

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Even though it's not proved, Seth Rich comes to mind. (edit removed the yet in "proved yet")

I mean it's pretty obvious that it was a political murder at this point. Of course liberal HN will down-vote you even if there was video evidence.

Uh huh.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/16/media/seth-rich-family-respo...

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by iamatworknow »

callinyouin wrote: post #29
beaconstudios wrote: post #13

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it's on a different scale of threat though. It seems like a weird inclusion - the idea that being trans considerably increases the risk profile of someone who was an informant on the US military complex.

Think of it this way: I've perused enough local news comment sections to know that people who are inclined to find Chelsea Manning to be a traitor are also generally more inclined to hate trans people. So, maybe this doesn't increase the risk of her being targeted by trained assassins or government spies, but it does probably increase her risk of being targeted for a hate crime.

>local news comment sections

Not exactly a diverse sample of the population.

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