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The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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The article seems oriented toward raw consumption, I like to experiment with food canning and I've made many single variety batches of applesauce to experiment with. Pure grannies are a little acidic to me. My kids like red delicious applesauce, for something thats basically sweet with a texture its not bad. Ida Red results in an extremely pale nearly white applesauce which is interesting looking but the taste is bor…

I've made apple sauce a few times for near-immediate consumption (over the course of maybe a week). There is a big, notable difference in taste and quality from the store-bought. Might be time to try canning it for longer term consumption. However, stores near here do carry a no sugar added bottle of applesauce. That's all we ever buy, and I can't imagine why they would even consider adding sugar/corn syrup. I like m…

No need to can it, you can freeze them in ziplock bags with no loss of flavor or texture. My family makes a whole year's worth at once, though of course you need spare freeze space.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Not the parent but I'll take a stab at this anyway. None of this is actually about moralizing, but very much about signaling that one is part of the cohort of "discerning" consumers (who wouldn't be caught dead , darling, eating a Red Delicious), and not among those great unwashed backwoods jerkwater hordes who eat them because they don't know any better. Hence the religion-like simplicity of the message "red delicio…

"Mackintosh (remember them? usually for pie)." No "k" in Macintosh, but this is a weird statement to me. Macs are very popular in Canada and virtually every grocery store that I've been in carries them (in Ontario anyways). They can be really excellent fresh off the tree but are generally a fair to middling apple in my opinion.

Yeah I think that's why they're considered a baking apple. You can cover up any deficiencies. But I've always liked 'em okay just for eating.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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I've made apple sauce a few times for near-immediate consumption (over the course of maybe a week). There is a big, notable difference in taste and quality from the store-bought. Might be time to try canning it for longer term consumption. However, stores near here do carry a no sugar added bottle of applesauce. That's all we ever buy, and I can't imagine why they would even consider adding sugar/corn syrup. I like m…

Studies show that sugar and salt increase consumption. So they add these things to increase sales. People aren't making a decision that's in their best interest, this is a biological hack that favors one party disproportionately compared to the other.

Apple juice is often used as a surrogate sugar, because it is basically just sugar with a different name.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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I HATED Red Delicious as a kid! Honey Crisp Apples are the best tasting apples I have ever eaten but they cost almost triple the price. Pink Ladies are also phenomenal. My 6 and 10 year old like them better then candy.

Honeycrisp is good, but there are a lot of other varieties out there like Envy, Lady Alice, Ambrosia...etc.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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I lived not too far from where Red Delicious was originally bred, and I can say from personal experience the original Red Delicious is not the Red Delicious that is typically sold in the grocery store.

Of course, I've never had the original one, but the heritage Red Delicious apples from multiple small orchards within a certain radius of where it was developed all taste totally unlike the ones in large groceries elsewhere in the US.

The ones from Iowa you would probably recognize as Red Delicious if you were told that, and if you were not told their identity you probably wouldn't. They're much smaller, rounder, more variegated in color, and have a much more complex flavor. Many people would probably guess McIntosh, but probably would say they have no idea.

My experiences have left me with the strong impression that some kind of subsequent genetic drift/inadvertent selection occurred, or that there's such a dominant set of horticulture protocols with the apple that the original characteristics of the apple have been washed out.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Excuse me?

I'm impugning your claim that the price of oil is too low. I asked you to complete the information required to back up the claim and you rejoined with some aside about how there were multiple ways to interpret one of the words in my question.

Answering your question above: no, it is not.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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The patent and the royalty on Honeycrisp expired in 2008.

The University of Michigan blundered by marketing the apple under the varietal name; varietals are considered inherently generic under trademark rules and so ineligible for protection. A Pink Lady apple is actually a Cripps Pink, grown and picked in accordance with certain quality standards. Anyone can sell a Cripps Pink, but only licensees of Brandt's Fruit Trees Inc can sell a Pink Lady.

TIL about the "International Pink Lady Alliance"!

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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To reiterate from my prior comment, I understand exactly what you're saying. The problem I have is that you're not listening to what I'm saying - which, again, is that it doesn't matter what you're saying, because when you use this rhetoric to express it, you piss people off even if in spite of yourself, and the rhetoric is therefore actively inimical to the purpose in whose service you employ it. It's not that compl…

I understand your point. I don't agree with it. I don't think the meaning of the word "privilege" has become so narrowly defined that it automatically provokes outrage like this. If , in fact, "privilege" does in fact trigger this massive anger you say it does, then I totally agree that its use is counterproductive. I just don't see it.

I spent a while casting around for something close enough to my point that I could recommend it - rather than, for example, a Marxist critique of privilege theory which decried it for being not antinomian enough. Just as I was beginning to despair of the time I'd have to spend writing a long piece of my own on the subject, I ran across this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2017/03/23...

I can't really claim with confidence that the book makes a point I'd be entirely happy with, because I'm only just about to start reading it myself. But this review, and what I'm seeing on its Amazon page, suggest that it's quite close at least to the point I'm trying to make, and so I recommend it sight unseen.

If you don't feel like making the purchase directly, email me at the address in my profile, and I'll gift you a copy in whichever format you prefer. In any case, I'll be interested to hear what you think of it.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Hmmm, I can get behind the idea that oil isn't priced appropriately given it's externalities, but I would've focused on CO2, with a carbon tax being the solution, rather than looking at the rate at which oil is reformed.

Time is a factor of production. We are depleting oil reserves at about 5 million times the rate they formed.[1] Corollary: oil price reflects an off-books depletion factor of roughly 5 million-fold. The price is vastly too low. Our fossil fuel consumption translated to present total biomass production (NPP, or the "photosynthetic ceiling"), is a very substantial fraction of all plant growth, I believe about 40%. We c…

The energy required to ship an apple from New Zealand to California is significantly less than the energy needed to truck it from California to Colorado. Energy policy is strange and counter-intuitive.

https://www.c2es.org/technology/factsheet/FreightTransportat...

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