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The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by dredmorbius »

sweettea wrote: post #94
maxerickson wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the future value of oil in a solar or nuclear powered world? It's important to know that when considering the factor of 5 million you toss out there.

Pretty high. It is a primary source of long-chain hydrocarbons, a primary feedstock for chemistry. Most biologically active chemicals produced by industry rely on oil as the chief starting material.

Though any carbon feedstock can address that. For a materials standpoint, there are substitutes.

Natural gas as feedstock to the Haber-Bosch process and coking coal in steel production, for reducing ore, are both much more formidable. They account for a large fraction the consumption of both (15% in the case of coal), and substitutes are difficult.

The story of where Earth's crustal iron comes from, when, and how, particularly as banded iron formations, is another interesting story.

https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/5l_8MqtVwLLvX_DabPjY-g

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by maxerickson »

dredmorbius wrote: post #97
maxerickson wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the future value of oil in a solar or nuclear powered world? It's important to know that when considering the factor of 5 million you toss out there.

The value is what it delivers. The cost is what's required to create it. The price is what it exchanges for. These are three independent attributes. Generally, though, sustainability comes when cost https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/48rd02/cost_va...

So the mention of the 5 million is just something akin to fear mongering then?

The horrors of oil being all used up and energy cheaper than ever.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by cryptarch »

cmurf wrote: post #56
cooperadymas wrote: post #30

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I've made apple sauce a few times for near-immediate consumption (over the course of maybe a week). There is a big, notable difference in taste and quality from the store-bought. Might be time to try canning it for longer term consumption. However, stores near here do carry a no sugar added bottle of applesauce. That's all we ever buy, and I can't imagine why they would even consider adding sugar/corn syrup. I like m…

Studies show that sugar and salt increase consumption. So they add these things to increase sales. People aren't making a decision that's in their best interest, this is a biological hack that favors one party disproportionately compared to the other.

Corn syrup represses the feeling of being full and is also extremely cheap to produce, it might actually make the applesauce cheaper to produce.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by oasisbob »

cooperadymas wrote: post #30
VLM wrote: post #24

The article seems oriented toward raw consumption, I like to experiment with food canning and I've made many single variety batches of applesauce to experiment with. Pure grannies are a little acidic to me. My kids like red delicious applesauce, for something thats basically sweet with a texture its not bad. Ida Red results in an extremely pale nearly white applesauce which is interesting looking but the taste is bor…

I've made apple sauce a few times for near-immediate consumption (over the course of maybe a week). There is a big, notable difference in taste and quality from the store-bought. Might be time to try canning it for longer term consumption. However, stores near here do carry a no sugar added bottle of applesauce. That's all we ever buy, and I can't imagine why they would even consider adding sugar/corn syrup. I like m…

> I can't imagine why they would even consider adding sugar/corn syrup

Just about any commercial fruit processing is going to need a plan for standardizing brix. That usually will involve some form of sugar. In theory you could have very stringent requirements of your suppliers, but that will get expensive, and even if brix is good, you may need to deal with abnormal acidity in a batch.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by oasisbob »

civilian wrote: post #35
kleiba wrote: post #3

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Unfortunately, though, a large percentage of Pink Ladies offered in stores around here (Germany) come from New Zealand... and that even though apples are among the fruit that grow well in Germany. I like Pink Ladies, especially for the texture, but I prefer to buy fruit that does not have to be shipped half way around the globe.

Why? If they're shipping Pink Ladies from New Zealand, and there's an efficient market, can't we imply that it's a better allocation of resources to get Pink Ladies from New Zealand? I mean, they're probably cheaper _even though_ they're getting shipped halfway across the world. What the market is saying is that: the highly skilled population of Germany is probably better off doing more advanced things than growing a…

> Why?

Different apples need different climates. That cultivar originated in Australia. It needs a long hot growing season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cripps_Pink

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by dredmorbius »

maxerickson wrote: post #102
dredmorbius wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value is what it delivers. The cost is what's required to create it. The price is what it exchanges for. These are three independent attributes. Generally, though, sustainability comes when cost https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/48rd02/cost_va...

So the mention of the 5 million is just something akin to fear mongering then? The horrors of oil being all used up and energy cheaper than ever.

Excuse me?

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by jdietrich »

EdwardMSmith wrote: post #73
RangerScience wrote: post #10

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TL;DR on first link: - They're not hardy (trees need support, apples are thin skinned, and they ripen at different times) - A university holds a patent on the tree (only $1 per tree, tho)

The patent and the royalty on Honeycrisp expired in 2008.

The University of Michigan blundered by marketing the apple under the varietal name; varietals are considered inherently generic under trademark rules and so ineligible for protection.

A Pink Lady apple is actually a Cripps Pink, grown and picked in accordance with certain quality standards. Anyone can sell a Cripps Pink, but only licensees of Brandt's Fruit Trees Inc can sell a Pink Lady.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by maxerickson »

dredmorbius wrote: post #106
maxerickson wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the mention of the 5 million is just something akin to fear mongering then? The horrors of oil being all used up and energy cheaper than ever.

Excuse me?

I'm impugning your claim that the price of oil is too low.

I asked you to complete the information required to back up the claim and you rejoined with some aside about how there were multiple ways to interpret one of the words in my question.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by imperialdrive »

mc32 wrote: post #63
baldfat wrote: post #2

I HATED Red Delicious as a kid! Honey Crisp Apples are the best tasting apples I have ever eaten but they cost almost triple the price. Pink Ladies are also phenomenal. My 6 and 10 year old like them better then candy.

I have come to like Opal apples. Fujis can be hit or miss insipid.

Opal apples are incredible - tough to beat. But, they are also hard to find... I heard millions of new trees are being planted to keep up with demand... now I'm craving one just thinking about it.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by tomcam »

donw wrote: post #75
VLM wrote: post #24

The article seems oriented toward raw consumption, I like to experiment with food canning and I've made many single variety batches of applesauce to experiment with. Pure grannies are a little acidic to me. My kids like red delicious applesauce, for something thats basically sweet with a texture its not bad. Ida Red results in an extremely pale nearly white applesauce which is interesting looking but the taste is bor…

If you haven't tried it, a splash of cognac really makes the applesauce pop.

And actually you don't even need the applesauce
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