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New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Post by topranks »

routerl wrote: post #223
topranks wrote: post #119

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You can use Conemu, ConsoleZ or a number of other console applications for Windows with it. As a network engineer it's almost useless to me, ping, traceroute, mtr etc don't work. Neither does ssh tunneling. No ssh server. Still using Cygwin for those reasons.

Most of these problems have been fixed as of the January Creators Update for Windows 10. SSH server is still iffy, because Windows 10 comes with an SSH server (not OpenSSH), which you'll have to disable. It was very weird to try to SSH into WSL and get a cmd.exe prompt. Also, once you install opensshd with apt, the server is only active while its terminal window is open (since closing the terminal window kills the WS…

Thanks... I had heard improvements were on the way, thought it was next release and not crestors.

Good tip on disabling Windows own ssh server too, sounds like I need to revisit this stuff see can I get it working again!

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Post by oblio »

Sephr wrote: post #203
oblio wrote: post #151

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I don't trust Microsoft. But they're less evil than Apple, look at Apple is doing with its locked garden (no GPL, only one browser engine allowed, no JITing except for their Javascript engine, development only on their platform, etc., etc.). On top of this, Microsoft is a smaller fish these days. They've lost mobile, probably forever. They're behind in search, ads, cloud, etc. So they're, maybe not toothless, but def…

> I don't trust Microsoft. But they're less evil than Apple, look at Apple is doing with its locked garden (no GPL, only one browser engine allowed, no JITing except for their Javascript engine, development only on their platform, etc., etc.). Hate to break it to you, but the Microsoft Store has the same limitations regarding browser engines as Apple's iOS App Store.

Nobody uses that and if they push it hard there's going to be major backlash, possibly even another anti-trust lawsuit.

Keep in mind they already have a conviction for anti-competitive practices. A second strike would probably be at least in the low billions, especially in the EU.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Post by koffiezet »

midnitewarrior wrote: post #226
foxhill wrote: post #164

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i'm saying this now; POSIX will never be a first class citizen on windows - we might get shims in /proc and /dev, but windows will never run from POSIX. as long as Win32 exists (and lets face it, that's not going away for a long time), we're basically stuck with running a docker container with linux on it in windows. and that might be all you need. but for many *nix people, this is no where near enough.

This is not a container implementation. Microsoft transcoded Linux system calls to Windows kernel calls. It runs efficiently and natively.

That is: as efficient as possible on top of the windows process model. A process fork is still a magnitude slower and more expensive than on Linux. It is however a massive improvement over Cygwin, but it's still very noticeable when for example running more complex shell-scripts.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Post by koffiezet »

beagle3 wrote: post #214
Lazare wrote: post #165

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Isn't it a bit ironic, given your concern with 90s-era Microsoft practices... ...that your comment is basically just FUD? I'm not saying your wrong! But your comment is, clearly, intended to make people feel fear, uncertainty, and doubt about Microsoft, the Windows platform, what MS may choose to do in the future, etc. And you don't have any particular factual claims to back it up (classic FUD tactic), just an appeal…

Some of OPs comment is hyperbolic, but I think > Microsoft has shown they are only interested in controlling the user, and not in giving the user control. Is very well supported by their recent we'll-do-everything-possible to get Win10 on people's machines, force upgrades, forced (and ultra comprehensive, but mostly secretive until a month ago) telemetry. > We live in a very different world. I'm not saying MS wouldn'…

I agree that the telemetry is very very dodgy. However, on the forced update front, I have to side with Microsoft here.

From their POV, regular and forced windows updates are the best way to ensure we don't have XP-like situations, where people just keep running out-dated software with horribly exploitable browsers. This creates a maintenance nightmare for software developers. Could you imagine running a 16 year old piece of software, refusing to upgrade to a newer-one but still expect security updates? And Windows 7 is well on it's way to become the 'next XP', it's almost 8 years old now...

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Post by [deleted] »

dkuntz2 wrote: post #180
posguy wrote: post #140

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Yeah, do we really want to run an open garbage fire of an OS that is known as Windows 10 for a daily driver? I know I'd get murdery if I lost all my hot corners, multi-desktop, etc cause that is what makes me productive. Other people who don't like Gnome 3 take pleasure in using i3 or AwesomeWM, which both are major steps up over Win10's UI. At this point, the Windows platform is a rotting cesspool, the devs focused…

Windows 10 has multi-desktop support baked in. They keyboard shortcuts could be made better, but they're there too.

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Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Post by mdekkers »

nailer wrote: post #143
bauerd wrote: post #136

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I just set up a cheap Windows 10 laptop I bought for my mom. It was the first time I got in touch with Windows again since the XP days. Can't say I'm too intrigued, imho the UI is lacking in so many points. I couldn't figure out how to get rid of that Cortana-thing in the taskbar, every window is littered with ribbons, list goes on and on and on … I don't see why I would go for Windows + WSL when I can just slap a di…

They're getting rid on the ribbon in Explorer, you can launch it with an in-beta modern UI since last month's Windows update. They'll probably complete it and make it official in the next big one.

For the curious: create a new shortcut with the following target:

  explorer shell:AppsFolder\c5e2524a-ea46-4f67-841f-6a9465d9d515_cw5n1h2txyewy!App
I think it is pretty "meh"

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Post by electrotype »

Sunset wrote: post #230
electrotype wrote: post #100

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I had to test a couple of variations before being happy because the same colors are used in all types of terminal (I use regular cmd and Bash). Sometimes one color is great in one type of terminal but is clashing with another color, for a particular use case, in the other terminal! http://i.imgur.com/9Dx79vq.png (By the way, there is a color picker when you click a color)

>Sometimes one color is great in one type of terminal but is clashing with another color, for a particular use case, in the other terminal! Fortunately there is an "app distinct" option in the settings. You can pick different color profiles for different programs.

I didn't know that, thanks!

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Post by nailer »

mdekkers wrote: post #237
nailer wrote: post #143

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They're getting rid on the ribbon in Explorer, you can launch it with an in-beta modern UI since last month's Windows update. They'll probably complete it and make it official in the next big one.

For the curious: create a new shortcut with the following target: explorer shell:AppsFolder\c5e2524a-ea46-4f67-841f-6a9465d9d515_cw5n1h2txyewy!App I think it is pretty "meh"

Well yes, I do too: it's massively incomplete.
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